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| Quote: Mash Butty "Oh yea, i forgot the importance of spelling vs peoples jobs....'"
Dont be so soft, it was a joke.
Besides which, i would be more concerned about your OP. Possibly one of the most liable comments i have seen on here for a while.
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| Quote: rochdale warrior "One word " equivalence ", what will now happen if other clubs go into " financial difficulties ", SLE i.e. everyone, will bail them out with continuous funds, what incentive to run your club properly, this does not make sense and smacks of desperation.'"
There are some real difficulties with this proposal, but I think desperation is the right word. The game is in crisis at present. I've been accused of being ridiculously defeatist on this board recently for suggesting that in the long term the game is heading for a semi-pro future with the SL competition being reduced to the status that the French domestic competition has, but it is hopelessly naive to think that this is not a likely outcome.
Our clubs have failed to raise their revenue in line with inflation over the last 15-20 years and as a result the SC has remained where it is. This is because most clubs simpy cannot afford to pay more than a spending limit which is 30-40% lower in real terms than it was at the outset. If this carries on then many players will not go into professional RL or leave the sport because they can make more money in other careers. Eventually wages will reach the level where even those who want to play rugby first and foremost will have to take a second job to pay the bills.
Financial mismanagement by the clubs and incompetent regulation by the RFL have now reached laughable proportions. The fact that clubs such as Crusaders, Wakefield and Bradford were given a clean bill of health by the licensing process would be astonishing if this were not RL. It would be a major scandal in other sports. In RL people just put up with it. Worse than this this, we actually have people on these boards telling those who form a Facebook group to call for change at the RFL saying that there is no point complaining because unless you put forward solutions you are just "whingers" and the people running the game will just ignore you. Really? In other sports there would be outrage and campaigns to put public pressure on those in charge to change, but in RL many are happy to be deferential to those destroying clubs and wrecking the future of the game. The fact is that many RL club owners and the incompetents at the RFL are a bigger danger to the game than its supposed enemies such as RU and people in RL need to wake up before it is too late (if it isn't already) to save the game we love.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "How much does each team get from the TV deal each year?
Could SLE buying Bradford allow Bradford to be run to the end of the season, then drop them down to the lower division allowing a lower salary cap and lower cost basis. SLE run the Bulls in the championship as not for profit and the cost of buying the Bulls is offset to each club by the increase per club in the TV money with the Bulls gone????
Just a thought.'"
Can't see how the SLE can run/fund the team in the championship as that would then be an unfair advantage to the teams already in there and struggling for finance. The harder you look at the set up of the deal the more it looks like it is just a way of the RFL saving face by not having to justify any manufactured cock-up of the Bulls not completing fixtures this season. Easy enough to expunge all results for home and away matches against Bulls but what do they do about Leeds 3rd game at magic weekend....... That result could affect the final placings for the playoffs.....easier to keep them going for last 5 matches then let them start anew in Championship next season......
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| Bilko makes a good point in his match preview, when he points out how much Simon Collinson's move from Bradford to Wigan affected both clubs' fortunes. More people like him are needed in the game.
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| The statement today says that SLE will fund the Bulls to the season's end and that players can now look for other clubs, says a great deal.
They are, it seems, looking for transfer fees to pay off the debts of Bradford and that most of today's squad won't feature next year. Trouble is there might not be too many for whom fees will be payable.
Of the 25 squad players 17 are OOC this year. So that only leaves 8 players who would command a transfer fee.
IMO they will attempt to clear the debts, free the players and coaching staff then start up a newco in either Champ or Champ 1.
The new club would then, hopefully, be debt free.
Trouble is some clubs want to keep Bradford in SL. How they do that with a SL calibre squad and over £1m debts I don't know.
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| Quote: tugglesf78 "Dont be so soft, it was a joke.
Besides which, i would be more concerned about your OP. Possibly one of the most liable comments i have seen on here for a while.'"
Liable for what? I said Brian NOBEL:
Quote: tugglesf78 "Erm, check your spelling, Brian NOBLE, not Nobel, hence the 'prize' post.
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| We might be visiting Valley Parade next season!
rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/news/article/480/7975242/bulls-boosted-by-city-bidrl
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| On the other hand we might not!
We won't if they drop into the Championship.
City are not wealthy and I don't see how they can buy the Bulls and pay off their £1.5m debts which they will have to if they are going to remain in SL.
It's an unconditional bid it says so City maybe looking at a Championship club playing at VP.
The £1.5m debts are the problem obviously, so it is how these are managed that will propbably decide the outcome of all this.
Either way, SL or otherwise, they can't retain the quality of squad they have now and financially break even. The overseas players may well be the highest paid so they could be the first to go. Bulls quality younger players could well stay and then build the future of their clubs around them.
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| Sorry to bump an old thread but they're now back in the playoffs.
After a 6 point deduction still being able to make the playoffs shows these playoffs are just too inclusive.
Another showing of why it should go back to 6.
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| Quote: hula89 "Sorry to bump an old thread but they're now back in the playoffs.
After a 6 point deduction still being able to make the playoffs shows these playoffs are just too inclusive.
Another showing of why it should go back to 6.'"
The same 6 we made after a 4 point deduction
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| Quote: Conroy "The same 6 we made after a 4 point deduction
But there's a difference there was less teams to make that 6 and it's supposed to be a "level playing field" under the franchise so a team with a 6 point deduction shouldn't be making it especially one that's been so unremarkable.
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| Quote: hula89 "Sorry to bump an old thread but they're now back in the playoffs.
After a 6 point deduction still being able to make the playoffs shows these playoffs are just too inclusive.
Another showing of why it should go back to 6.'"
Or even to 5. At present, the 6th place club has a negative points difference and only won a fraction over half their games. I think it more shows how poor the competition is outside the top 4 or 5.
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| I have always felt that having more teams making the play offs that not is a bad idea. Don't think there is any other sport that it happens in. Finishing 8th should not be viewed as a success.
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| Quote: Father Ted "On the other hand we might not!
We won't if they drop into the Championship.
City are not wealthy and I don't see how they can buy the Bulls and pay off their £1.5m debts which they will have to if they are going to remain in SL.
It's an unconditional bid it says so City maybe looking at a Championship club playing at VP.
The £1.5m debts are the problem obviously, so it is how these are managed that will propbably decide the outcome of all this.
Either way, SL or otherwise, they can't retain the quality of squad they have now and financially break even. The overseas players may well be the highest paid so they could be the first to go. Bulls quality younger players could well stay and then build the future of their clubs around them.'"
City may well buy the Bulls and play at Odsal themselves. I believe they no longer own valley Parade and pay a huge rent just to play there.
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| Quote: Teessidewire "City may well buy the Bulls and play at Odsal themselves. I believe they no longer own valley Parade and pay a huge rent just to play there.'"
Would be a logistical nightmare to incorporate segregation? Where would they section off the away fans with seperate facilities etc?
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