I don't think Colin Tyrer was the bravest fullback I have ever seen either, but he was quick and could kick goals.

When Eric Ashton was challenged about Tyrers defensive displays, he said there are twelve of us in front of him who should be making those tackles.

Didn't he play at Wembley with a broken jaw Edwards-style?

you forgot about Briscoe who's nose is as bent as Bill Clintons knob

But it's not doing him any good being constantly placed in the firing line when he's clearly not up to it.

He needs significant time in the reserves to rebuild his game.

No, Keith Hepworth the Castleford scrum half cleaned him out with the most despicable off the ball tackle I have ever seen. Tyrer had to leave the field with a badly broken jaw and Wigan lost their most potent attacking force (he had broke the try scoring record for a fullback) and goalkicker.

Bill Francis took over the goalkicking and missed (2 or three) easy penalties. Why Bill Ashurst didn't take over the goalkicking remains a mystery.

Wigan lost 7 -2.

Hepworth conveniently avoided Wigan games for about three years, until Tyrer "caught up with him" at Leeds.

Ah, I know he got cleaned out...He obviously didn't make it back to the pitch!

That was terrible, he should have gone for that one, he was very lucky it didn't come off for Wakey.

I hope mathers dosent get banned - then noble has to make a decision rather than hide behind the ban and bring him back in 3 weeks time.

I'd agree with this, a ban makes it easy, if he is available for selection, Noble can prove he is as good as his word.

According to Richie we will come good. www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Math ... 4963480.jp Fire away guys

According to Richie we will come good. www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Math ... 4963480.jp Fire away guys

This is the thing about Mathers. Everyone who meets him seems to like him. But if you're not good enough you're not good enough.

The best thing (for both him and us) is a couple of months in the reserves to see if he can pull it together.

Jinkin Jimmy, if you thought O'Loughlin played well on Sunday then I suggest its you who doesn't know what he's watching.

Who made the most handling errors for Wigan ? O'Loughlin with 3.

Only two players - Mathers and kick-mad Smith - made less average metres per carry according to the official stats. His offensive game was poor.

All players can be assessed, you know. There are no exceptions, even Andy Farrell's brother-in-law, and I don't see why he should go under the radar.

Having said all that, I concede that it was his first starting appearance since May and that he'll take time to get back into it at this level.

Again, it comes down to team selection. Did Joel Tomkins really deserve to be on the bench after the way he finished last season ? I think not.

On loan please, was it not yourself that said the reserves would impede the progress of Josh Vievers?

I didn't say he played well. You, on the other hand, saide he was" awfully poor" which he plainly wasn't. You say his offensive game was poor. Tell me please, whose wasn't? Didn't he put Joel in for his try?

Finally, your "brother-in-law" comment have shown your true agenda. What the hell has Tomkins starting on the bench got to do with Lockers' level of performance?