It's a two way street, but sadly for too long, the traffic has only been going one way.

I'm sick to my back teeth of this whole "big society" BS. Those vulnerable folk will happily let jobs and businesses go to the wall. Sod people who've invested years and everything they have into a business or career. Sod the people who live on their own and didn't have any meaningful contact with anyone during 2 lockdowns. Sod people who've just spent Xmas day + 6 others on their own.

The harsh truth is vulnerable people's illnesses are little to do with me. Much like paying my mortgage and what I want to do is of little concern to them. That's the fact of it and it's brutal, but it's true. I don't ask for their, or anyone's help, when I'm struggling so why do they get to ask it of me? Yet here they are calling for more lockdowns, more restrictions etc. F the world as long as it saves their skin.

I think you'll find for many many pages a few of us have been saying that everyone needs to ge vaccinated wherever possible (I.e. no health issues with being vaccinated) and wear masks (again when medically ok to do so) when appropriate as per guidelines (irrespective ofnwhat you may personally think of those guidelines)

Your little rant at MSM tells me a little more about your stance.
Strange how people who don't trust/like/read the MSM seem to know so much about what they're saying/writing

Numerous people have posted things as FACT about masks, omicron, etc as fact when they aren't and don't like it when challenged to provide evidence.

I don’t see/hear many, if anybody calling for lockdowns or even more restrictions tbh. What I do see and hear is people saying it would be beneficial if those who can get a vaccine and who can wear a mask (without any medical barriers being in the way for them) do so and that might just play it’s part in helping us all avoid the inconvenience of living under tighter measures going forward.

I can’t get my head round those people who refuse a vaccine, refuse to wear a mask but then complain when any other measures are put in place or are rumoured to be coming in. It’s just a sad fact of life that sometimes you can’t have it all.

Wow
I don’t rant Jukes unlike you. You rant with regularity. You post in capitals to state you certainty with monotonous regularity.
What’s your stance?. What’s your solution?.. you never give it. Spit it out.
Point me to a balanced review in MSM on COVID over the last 24 months. They can’t because of ofcom regulations. Am I wrong? Am I lying?
I’m vaccinated and advise vaccination.
Omicron gives protection against delta. Have MSM issued that statement yet?

Correct, there is no way that vaccinations can be administered to everyone in the world.

I also offer Bubonic Plague which, wait for it, is believed to have originated in China! There are still cases in the world today, almost 700 years after it originated.

That's what Australia and New Zealand did and guess what they still have issues.

Well said young man.

I’ve never understood this point of view, on anything really.

Basically it’s a stance that says it didn’t affect me too badly ergo it’s a load of nonsense.

I’m not sure that’s how it works.

And in the main I agree with that - I’d like to see the proof that mask wearing is effective (that’s a sincere request BTW) and as I was asked earlier by someone else the proof lockdowns don’t work is that COVID is still here.

But what next? When the vaccination uptake levels out, no more people want it, what do we do then? Carry on banging on about infections/hospitalisations? Have a certain section of society call for lockdowns and restrictions continuously? No.

We simply must live with COVID, there’s literally no other option. Wear a mask if you want, it makes no odds to my life. But eventually it should be treated as per flu would be and is. Life moves on and it’s time we started catching up with it.

FWIW I’m not into this ‘MSM media’ agenda nonsense, nor am I an avid watcher of YouTube videos, Twitter posts, Facebook nonsense. They’re all dangerous rabbit holes to fall into. I’m coming at this from the realistic angle of COVID is here to stay and life must continue. Are some people going to die? Yes. But equally, as raised by you, are people going to die in car accidents? Yes. Do we ban all cars?

I can’t see there being anymore lockdowns but if there are I won’t be abiding by it. Police can quite gladly knock at my door, I simply won’t be answering or allowing entry to my home. I’m getting on with enjoying my life and I suggest everyone else does the same too.

Wow
Show me any post were I have posted in Capitals (not one word to highlight a word, a full post or majority post)
Rant with regularity ? I suppose that will be someone's opinion, but IMO you need to learn the difference between rant and someone with a different opinion.

I posted my opinion, seems like you chose to ignore it



There you go again
Vaccinations where medically possible
Masks when advised etc

Lots of questions there so will give as quick an answer as I can

Face masks, I think most people acknowledge that they don't 100% stop the spread
however, 1 quick search at " are masks effective and I can find links to the Governement, WHO, BMJ etc who all say they help in reducing and should be used in certain situations along with other measures such as ventilation, distancing, regular hand wash, sanitisers etc.

Lockdowns don't work?
Well, I kind of half agree with that, other than with the 1st/2nd wave when we had no vaccinations there was simply very little alternative other than to social distance etc.
I've said it before, if we didn't social distance/lockdown and wear masks etc how do we know that deaths etc wouldn't have been 10 or 100 times more ???
Ill say it again and try not to use capital to upset certain people, at no point have I said we should have another lockdown??? Myself and others have pointed out when people have come on imo spreading lies as fact that they aren't facts I.e. Omicron is just a cold and/or vaccines don't work etc (IMO some.people are so worked up for their own various reasons they're focused on the argument rather than common sense).

Flu comparison, Your right, eventually it will, but IMO not just yet.
At some point there will be a shot just like the flu jab yearly etx. And we will all move on etc. But just like the flu jab some people will have to be pushed, reminded, etc to get one as they will either let it slide or they know best (a bit like this argument).
If people don't take it up again In future that will create problems

With regard ro vaccine uptake then I suppose there will always be some who won't take it, and I don't believe it should be mandatory.
However, I also don't believe that people should be spreading mis information to put everyone else off taking it because they've been down the conspiracy theory rabbit holes etc.
I am 100% certain that there will and has been a lot of preventable serious illness and death occurring due to people believing a lot of the rubbish and mis information from non MSM outlets. But somehow they don't get the same abuse from those people as the MSM (I can't believe I keep typing those 3 letters out if I'm honest, I may not agree with everything they do, but I'd rather listen to the BBC for example than 99% of the b00ll0x on twitter/fb/etc)

Living with covid
I don't disagree, but like the car analogy there may need to be certain safety precautions
We have traffic lights
We have seat belts
We have speed limits
We have drink and drug driving laws
We have age limits
We have tests/lessons etc.

End of the day people talking about freedoms have other certain freedoms dictated to them in the form of the law/rules etc. Yes, people break/bend them occasionally but common sense says that if we all abide with them when we can then things will be safer.

Would you say to anyone go and break the speed limit? Drink drive? Not wear a seatbelt? Etc
Yes they don't work 100% of the time but they make things far safer for EVERYONE (Oops, there I go again).

I was happy to debate with 6oz globes but you wanted to argue bare knuckles. Fair do’s I know the rules so no problem. I rant but you have a different opinion.

It’s FACT you use FACT in many of your responses to this thread. You conveniently ask for using one word in capitals to be excluded. Why do you use FACT? Is it because other posters don’t know the facts?
You must think it’s important to highlight in capitals.

I actually think we agree on lots of areas on this topic but I or anyone else questions what the tories/sage do is almost sacrilegious. Most of my points on this topic have been that there are other potential alternatives but non conformist voices are rarely if ever heard on MSM outlets. Sshaggerr Hancock described Sunetra Gupta as a “crackpot”. She is probably the most eminent epidemiologist in the uk if not the world and Hancock described her as a crackpot.

This morning the education secretary stated that masks for high schools are based on the results of 123 visual reviews of schools wearing masks. Unless they reviewed 123 schools in the same areas without masks this visual review is pointless. Whoever signed off this review without the alternative should she summarily dismissed for incompetence.

So vaccination and masks is it? That’s the sum of your opinion?
You will never get 100% vaccination take up unless perhaps it’s under the boot of the CCP
No airborne virus has ever seen immunity without infection and re-infection. That’s how nature works.

No changes needed in the nhs?
There is little flexibility in manning and to my knowledge there are no plans to address in the future.
The next season will be the 3rd year of COVID when infections will increase in the winter and nobody talks about changes required to address this.
Madness absolute madness

Not a rant just a few opinions backed up with I think a little bit of common sense.

thats got to be a wind up surely