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Quote: Egg Chasing "You know what ruddy. You're right. All this talk that black people get the rough end of the stick is clearly not true. How was I so blind?!'"


99% of people whether they're white, black, gay, lesbian, catholic, hindu, etc get the rough end of the stick, that's life.

99% of people at some point in their life will get bullied, or assaulted, or not get a promotion, etc.

The fact that millionaire much loved boxer Anthony Joshua is jumping on the bandwagon makes me laugh, his skin colour hasn't held him back has it? So he is a shining example of that and how the cream will rise to the top regardless of race,, but he uses his platform to sow division which is barmy.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: post "99% of people whether they're white, black, gay, lesbian, catholic, hindu, etc get the rough end of the stick, that's life.'"

No, as a white straight man I have it a hell of a lot easier than I would if I was black. I don't have to worry about being discriminated against by police, employers, teachers, people down the pub, the list must go on. That's pretty obvious to the vast majority of grown ups.

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Quote: Grimmy "No, as a white straight man I have it a hell of a lot easier than I would if I was black. I don't have to worry about being discriminated against by police, employers, teachers, people down the pub, the list must go on. That's pretty obvious to the vast majority of grown ups.'"


Exactly. Most people just tell me I'm a b*stard. They don't tell me I'm a white b*stard.

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Quote: Grimmy "No, as a white straight man I have it a hell of a lot easier than I would if I was black. I don't have to worry about being discriminated against by police, employers, teachers, people down the pub, the list must go on. That's pretty obvious to the vast majority of grown ups.'"


You can't help it can you? You can't help but have a little dig, usually its insulting someones intelligence to rubbish their argument. People like you are the reason for Brexit and Trump, they are a direct equal and opposite reaction to the sneering pompous left. So if you hate Trump and Brexit, people like you caused it.

When you say you don't have to worry about being discriminated against, and site teachers as an example, white working class boys perform the worst in school overall, so you're wrong.

Discriminated against by employers? Surely you've heard of the equalities act 2010 which bans this treatment so wrong again Grimmy.

Discriminated against by Police? We have the fairest and least racist Police force in the world, to say that our Police are racist is a lie and is slander.

Discriminated against in pubs? Give me an example? That you have seen in the last 10 years where someone has been refused a drink because of the colour of their skin, come on, I'll wait.

All you are doing is regurgitating the narrative fed to you by the media trying to pass it off as your own lived experience and thinking you're a free thinker.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: post "Discriminated against in pubs? Give me an example? That you have seen in the last 10 years where someone has been refused a drink because of the colour of their skin, come on, I'll wait.'"

Funnily enough I can! Last game at Knowsley Road my mate, who is Asian, joined our usual group to experience the derby. Before the game we went to the Olde England pub in St Helens. Some idiot at the bar looked him up and down and said "You're not from round here are you?" and his idiot mates laughed along as though it was hilarious that an Asian would want to come to a rugby game. Upshot was a big argument that would have spilled over into a fight if we hadn't left, my mate felt terrible about the fuss and unwelcome/awkward because of his skin colour so didn't come to another game. I'm sure you will say "That's life" but to me it's totally unacceptable and needs stamping out.

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Quote: Grimmy "Funnily enough I can! Last game at Knowsley Road my mate, who is Asian, joined our usual group to experience the derby. Before the game we went to the Olde England pub in St Helens. Some idiot at the bar looked him up and down and said "You're not from round here are you?" and his idiot mates laughed along as though it was hilarious that an Asian would want to come to a rugby game. Upshot was a big argument that would have spilled over into a fight if we hadn't left, my mate felt terrible about the fuss and unwelcome/awkward because of his skin colour so didn't come to another game. I'm sure you will say "That's life" but to me it's totally unacceptable and needs stamping out.'"


That example would have happened had they overheard his accent as being Scottish, Southern, Welsh, Irish, German, etc. I had that happen to me lots of times in Liverpool working there in peoples houses. I've been told 'You're not from round here' by Scousers. Thing is, if someone wants to offend you they'll find a way. So because 1 person said something that might be perceived as ignorant or as casual racism or however you want to bracket it, that we as a country as infinitely racist and all must change? Because of 1 person?

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: post "That example would have happened had they overheard his accent as being Scottish, Southern, Welsh, Irish, German, etc. I had that happen to me lots of times in Liverpool working there in peoples houses. I've been told 'You're not from round here' by Scousers. Thing is, if someone wants to offend you they'll find a way. So because 1 person said something that might be perceived as ignorant or as casual racism or however you want to bracket it, that we as a country as infinitely racist and all must change? Because of 1 person?'"

I gave you an example because you asked for one. Obviously the issue of racism is a lot bigger than that one experience I've seen of it

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Quote: Grimmy "I gave you an example because you asked for one. Obviously the issue of racism is a lot bigger than that one experience I've seen of it'"


And if you give them 100 there'll still be a "Whataboutism" reply

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Quote: Jukesays "And if you give them 100 there'll still be a "Whataboutism" reply'"


Just another word created to quell anything other than the lefts point of view. It's as if you're reading from the 'Left wing playbook - How to win every argument'.

Do yourself a favour, you are intelligent, so go and have a look at things from a different viewpoint and be cynical and see what you think.

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Quote: Grimmy "I gave you an example because you asked for one. Obviously the issue of racism is a lot bigger than that one experience I've seen of it'"


I like to be awkward, I like to play devils advocate, I'm very cynical too. Here's an idea, go and have a look at the BLM website and see what they stand for, also, read it out loud and replace the word B for White and listen to how it sounds. Like I said, just playing devils advocate.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Seriously, just try it and you might understand why I'm all for anti-racism but not backing this particular group. I'm all for unity, freedom, equality, togetherness, peace and love and would support a group that promoted this.
Quote: Grimmy "I gave you an example because you asked for one. Obviously the issue of racism is a lot bigger than that one experience I've seen of it'"


I like to be awkward, I like to play devils advocate, I'm very cynical too. Here's an idea, go and have a look at the BLM website and see what they stand for, also, read it out loud and replace the word B for White and listen to how it sounds. Like I said, just playing devils advocate.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Seriously, just try it and you might understand why I'm all for anti-racism but not backing this particular group. I'm all for unity, freedom, equality, togetherness, peace and love and would support a group that promoted this.


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Quote: post "You can't help it can you? You can't help but have a little dig, usually its insulting someones intelligence to rubbish their argument. People like you are the reason for Brexit and Trump, they are a direct equal and opposite reaction to the sneering pompous left. So if you hate Trump and Brexit, people like you caused it.

When you say you don't have to worry about being discriminated against, and site teachers as an example, white working class boys perform the worst in school overall, so you're wrong.

Discriminated against by employers? Surely you've heard of the equalities act 2010 which bans this treatment so wrong again Grimmy.

Discriminated against by Police? We have the fairest and least racist Police force in the world, to say that our Police are racist is a lie and is slander.

Discriminated against in pubs? Give me an example? That you have seen in the last 10 years where someone has been refused a drink because of the colour of their skin, come on, I'll wait.

All you are doing is regurgitating the narrative fed to you by the media trying to pass it off as your own lived experience and thinking you're a free thinker.'"


Yeah you're right, the reason for Brexit and Trump is the fact that stupid people don't like being told when they're wrong. So much so that they will go against perfectly correct information, just to spite the people telling them that they're wrong.

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who are the stupid people?

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Why is @post still here, I thought they were done with the game? Or was that just a bit of old-school attention seeking?

As ever they are looking to distract by pretending they can't get their heads around the BLM movement not being about what is written on a website. To concede anything would evidently be some sort of insult to the identity they have built for themselves.

And, in either a marvellous piece of projection or a breathtaking lack of awareness, they actually demand that *others* think about seeing things from other people's viewpoints. Before rounding it off with, "of course I'm against racism, I just for reasons I've made up can't support [ithis[/i anti-racism movement".

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I would like to congratulate Post on not backing down to what he believes,of which i agree.
blm is a marxist movement and has put race relations back years.

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Quote: post "Just another word created to quell anything other than the lefts point of view. It's as if you're reading from the 'Left wing playbook - How to win every argument'.

Do yourself a favour, you are intelligent, so go and have a look at things from a different viewpoint and be cynical and see what you think.'"


I'll have a little bet with you that I've read, researched and watched more stuff on the subject in the last 5 years than you have.
Yes, I am that Boring.

But turn that paragraph on yourself and look in that mirror.

Fake news!
3 line slogans
Why dont you try to listen to the people that feel oppressed/hard done to
Facebook's (And Twitter's) Armchair experts, who listen to all the other armchair racists spreading their vile messages which are disguised racist agendas
Try Empathy

Ruddy uses an analogy earlier about "Whatabout the white girl, or the white man injured or killed by a black/asian"
"Wheres the marches for that, wheres the kneeling for that".

If anyone cant see the difference it's because they dont want to or their not interested in researching to understand the difference.

Its abhorrent, black people kill white people, white people kill black people, Asian people kill white people and vice versa, it's all terrible. The Facebook (insert derogatory name) use Lee Rigby's name as a reason Not to support equal rights, there is no need to March because his killers were brought to justice by the people who are meant to do that.

The reason there is a Black lives matter movement etc is because the very people who are supposed to be upholding the law, the people who are supposed to determine justice, the people who are supposed to hire people fairly etc. Arent doing it to the EQUAL standards they are supposed to be.

Ask Steven Lawrence's parents, and yes things are getting better, but research and studies done by then police themselves in the last year accepts that there is "Still work to do".

Your retort that there are already laws, yes there are, and that's progress that was made in the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc which is fine.
But just as there are laws about speeding, some people dont abide by them even though they are there.
Some officers do target minorities, some bosses still dont employ women, minorities and disabled people fairly and equally. And those people who are disadvantaged are prepared to stand up for their rights to be treated equally, Good on um.

And I am in no way equating the UKs overall situation to the USA, wheebitbis far worse IMO.
But Raheem Sterling didnt speak out after geroge floyd, he felt the need to speak out before.
Others have done so in the not too recent past.

Should they all just sit right and hope it goes away, because your response that they are "Putting race relations back 30 years" seems to blame the victims for their own situation?

https://theconversation.com/how-racist- ... -us-141657

End of the day its this
You don't perceive their to be an issue and/or their way of highlighting and dealing with it, a lot of people do

Next time you feel aggrieved about something because you've been unfairly treated in your opinion, just imagine how it would feel after 10/20/30/40 years or for an whole lifetime of being ignored, then being told to shut up, your doing it the wrong way, the very people who provided rhebinjustice k ow better than you on how you should react and deal with that injustice because they feel sick of hearing you bleat in about it.
Quote: post "Just another word created to quell anything other than the lefts point of view. It's as if you're reading from the 'Left wing playbook - How to win every argument'.

Do yourself a favour, you are intelligent, so go and have a look at things from a different viewpoint and be cynical and see what you think.'"


I'll have a little bet with you that I've read, researched and watched more stuff on the subject in the last 5 years than you have.
Yes, I am that Boring.

But turn that paragraph on yourself and look in that mirror.

Fake news!
3 line slogans
Why dont you try to listen to the people that feel oppressed/hard done to
Facebook's (And Twitter's) Armchair experts, who listen to all the other armchair racists spreading their vile messages which are disguised racist agendas
Try Empathy

Ruddy uses an analogy earlier about "Whatabout the white girl, or the white man injured or killed by a black/asian"
"Wheres the marches for that, wheres the kneeling for that".

If anyone cant see the difference it's because they dont want to or their not interested in researching to understand the difference.

Its abhorrent, black people kill white people, white people kill black people, Asian people kill white people and vice versa, it's all terrible. The Facebook (insert derogatory name) use Lee Rigby's name as a reason Not to support equal rights, there is no need to March because his killers were brought to justice by the people who are meant to do that.

The reason there is a Black lives matter movement etc is because the very people who are supposed to be upholding the law, the people who are supposed to determine justice, the people who are supposed to hire people fairly etc. Arent doing it to the EQUAL standards they are supposed to be.

Ask Steven Lawrence's parents, and yes things are getting better, but research and studies done by then police themselves in the last year accepts that there is "Still work to do".

Your retort that there are already laws, yes there are, and that's progress that was made in the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc which is fine.
But just as there are laws about speeding, some people dont abide by them even though they are there.
Some officers do target minorities, some bosses still dont employ women, minorities and disabled people fairly and equally. And those people who are disadvantaged are prepared to stand up for their rights to be treated equally, Good on um.

And I am in no way equating the UKs overall situation to the USA, wheebitbis far worse IMO.
But Raheem Sterling didnt speak out after geroge floyd, he felt the need to speak out before.
Others have done so in the not too recent past.

Should they all just sit right and hope it goes away, because your response that they are "Putting race relations back 30 years" seems to blame the victims for their own situation?

https://theconversation.com/how-racist- ... -us-141657

End of the day its this
You don't perceive their to be an issue and/or their way of highlighting and dealing with it, a lot of people do

Next time you feel aggrieved about something because you've been unfairly treated in your opinion, just imagine how it would feel after 10/20/30/40 years or for an whole lifetime of being ignored, then being told to shut up, your doing it the wrong way, the very people who provided rhebinjustice k ow better than you on how you should react and deal with that injustice because they feel sick of hearing you bleat in about it.


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Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1590
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1288
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1516
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1681
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1636
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1689
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
2003
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1707
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2147
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Leigh 28 580 404 176 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
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Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
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York 27 655 469 186 30
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
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