His defense has been outstanding! I'm not sure why you would even make that comment?

He's been better against these bigger, more athletic backs in Superleague than these bigger, more athletic backs have been against each other. He's outperformed the incumbents every single time he's come up against them, literally without exception. Plus he did the same against the bigger, more athletic backs playing for Penrith. What further credentials do you need?

This is exactly my point with Jon. You are generalising rather than dealing with the actual facts. Sure bigger is better as a rule but tell that to Rob Burrow, Jason Robinson, Alfie Langer, Andrew Johns and the many, many others who have made a mockery of this generalisation. Now, I'm not saying Marshy stands in that company necessarily but he's a top performer in every situation he's been placed in and risen to every challenge. He is currently the best winger in the comp and has been top 5 for a few seasons now.

I'm not saying he should be the current England winger. I'm a strong believer that a player should lose his place as much as someone else taking it and none of the current choices above him have done anything to lose their place. What I am saying is he's unlucky to not be picked if the squad is supposedly on form. I also think it's something of a missed opportunity to get another player into the mix. The Samoa tests are at the end of the year and no one can predict availability by then.

I agree with this and it’s the argument I have in regards style of SL and what it takes to be successful and the different style of international rugby which I believe is why he isn’t getting picked.

In regards Mackinson I don’t see him as an England player moving forward, think the 2 selected plus Young, Ashton, Marshall and also Davies could rightfully be considered ahead of him in the pecking order now.

I’m not sure why you’re replying to someone else but referencing me as though I’ve said it……

Burrow wasn’t a great international player, Robinson was but he had the athleticism to back it up. Langer was a half playing in a different era.

It’s down to style not form his style is deemed by Wane it seems not to see him selected, same for Bennett.

Someone mentioned Jerry and Hall who were incumbent wingers. I actually think they were/are very similar to Miski and Marshall in style however they had more impact in their prime at the line mainly due to body weight. I just think Marshall lacks that extra power in contact that those too had and the natural athleticism of the others selected over him which is why he is missing out.

It was after his stint at 9 where, to be fair, he was excellent.

Makinson would have picked if he wasn't injured,but I also think he is done as a international player.

I also think Young and Marshall are a better combination than any other you care to mention.
As you was proven wrong re- Farrimond you could equally be proven wrong (or right) re-Marshy,but at this rate we will never know,am glad you think he should be given a chance to silence the doubters (like yourself) as did Farrimond.

He did quite well at 9 didnt he.

Few references to Robinson because of Marshall’s stature.

I think that’s unfair on Marshall as JR was a once in a generation player.

What was interesting though is how JR was targeted under the high ball particularly in Union.

May have been the World Cup Final where they used Tequiri to great affect against him targeting him on the cross field kicks. He conceded the first try to that I think where it was a no contest.

I genuinely hope he gets a crack at Samoa in the Autumn. We all know he would go well against France and Samoa will be a step up, however I don’t expect them to be anywhere near full strength it will be a better test than France.

With maybe a few withdrawals our side he gets a chance to have a dig and force his way into World Cup contention. If he doesn’t play in the Autumn though I’d say unfortunately he will be out of the reckoning potentially for good.

The difference though JR had that electric pace over 30/40 years and illusive style which Marshy doesn’t have.

Aye, it's just crazy how one eyed people can be. I like Sneyd, I have no issue with him getting Man Of Steel (as looks likely) and he's a good player but Smith out performed him over the course of last season, got his England chance and absolutely killed it. His form for Wigan was iffy at the start of the season (Outside of Penrith) but he's been absolutely outstanding in recent months and whenever big games come round the lad is just outstanding. He's also 10 years younger than Sneyd and will be around for multiples series/tournaments to come.

There wasn't even a decision to be made.

Smith is a very old head on young shoulders and I think Sneyd is on a similar level in certain elements of his game but in defence in particular he’s way off Smith.

I’d go so far as to say Smith is the most important player at Wigan at the moment such is his influence over the way we play and the freedom he allows other players to do their thing.

Harry I agree is prob the most important player what with his game management skills and his kicking out of hand being of a level being superior to any other SL player inc Sneyd (who I think is a great player,just not as good a Smith)

I'm not. I said that's my point with Jon, as in the point I was making during our conversation...

In the same week that SOO was played at the iconic MCG in front of 90,000 fans we have England v France that is not televised on free to air TV or Sky. It is also a curtain raiser before the Toulouse game.

Wane may not even be able to make it and Andy Last was late back into the UK meaning that the senior players had to lead the first training session themselves.

Moreover they are flying Ryanair today and there has been a 4 hr delay. They are also only receiving £250 each.

If you don't laugh you'll cry

All of that is bad really bad

Farcical

Hoping our players came through this match unscathed, that would be the only positive from what can only be described as a catastrophic shambles. As a UK rugby league supporter I'm struggling to remember a lower point for the sport.