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| Quote Suzy Banyon="Suzy Banyon"Leuluai's never played for Saints.'"
I honestly have no idea what you mean?
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"I honestly have no idea what you mean?'"
From reading the thread, it looks like she's saying that Smith is the worst 7 they've had because TL hasn't played for them. If that's the case, an opinion not worth arguing with as clearly, the writer has never played the game and knows very little about rugby league. Tommy might not have the best kicking game in the world but he's streets ahead of Smith in terms of skill and ability.
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| Quote Bigredwarrior="Bigredwarrior"From reading the thread, it looks like she's saying that Smith is the worst 7 they've had because TL hasn't played for them. If that's the case, an opinion not worth arguing with as clearly, the writer has never played the game and knows very little about rugby league. Tommy might not have the best kicking game in the world but he's streets ahead of Smith in terms of skill and ability.'"
Exactly. People seem to have forgotten that Saints busted a gut trying to sign TL. Instead they settled for Matty Smith.
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| Never liked Tommy as a 7 the first time around let alone now. We are lacking creativity and leadership which are qualities I'd look for in a 7. Yes Tommy can 'put in the big shots' but when ever do we sign a 7 for his ability to crunch people?!
Tommy isn't creative. He has never shown any ability to play what's in front of him and move the team around the park. His kicking game is poor and general reading of the game is lacking.
So what do we do with him? Move him to 9? Then we have to drop Sam or Micky. I'd sooner keep Powell and Micky on the interchange and keep the money invested into Tommy to spend on another position or another 7. He's a bad signing.
I also wish we had a 'ball player' at 9. Can't remember the last time we had a 9 who had a quick scoot, excellent game management and got us playing on the front foot. Micky is another one like Tommy, excellent in defence yet not creative in attack.
I expect ball players who can read a game and play 'off the cuff' from my 1, 6, 7, 9. Currently we don't have that at Wigan.
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"I expect ball players who can read a game and play 'off the cuff' from my 1, 6, 7, 9. Currently we don't have that at Wigan.'"
Discounting what what you said about Tommy (who won the Harry Sunderland playing 7 in 2010 so not too shabby yeah?) George Williams can't play off the cuff?? Really??? And what do you mean by currently? A fit Sam Tomkins & Morgan Escare?? So we could have a line up with 1 - Escare 6 - Williams 7 - Tomkins and you say we've no 'off the cuff' players?? Really???????
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Never liked Tommy as a 7 the first time around let alone now. We are lacking creativity and leadership which are qualities I'd look for in a 7. Yes Tommy can 'put in the big shots' but when ever do we sign a 7 for his ability to crunch people?!
Tommy isn't creative. He has never shown any ability to play what's in front of him and move the team around the park. His kicking game is poor and general reading of the game is lacking.
So what do we do with him? Move him to 9? Then we have to drop Sam or Micky. I'd sooner keep Powell and Micky on the interchange and keep the money invested into Tommy to spend on another position or another 7. He's a bad signing.
I also wish we had a 'ball player' at 9. Can't remember the last time we had a 9 who had a quick scoot, excellent game management and got us playing on the front foot. Micky is another one like Tommy, excellent in defence yet not creative in attack.
I expect ball players who can read a game and play 'off the cuff' from my 1, 6, 7, 9. Currently we don't have that at Wigan.'"
Leuluai is the best hooker at the club if nothing else. Next season I'd like to see us try:
FB Escare
SO Williams
SH S.Tomkins
H Leuluai
S McIlorum/Powell (maybe sell one of the two if the opportunity arises)
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Leuluai is the best hooker at the club if nothing else. Next season I'd like to see us try:
FB Escare
SO Williams
SH S.Tomkins
H Leuluai
S McIlorum/Powell (maybe sell one of the two if the opportunity arises)'"
Ive resisted calls for Sam to move up previously but perhaps this is the way to go next season.
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| Quote spartakmixtapes="spartakmixtapes"Discounting what what you said about Tommy (who won the Harry Sunderland playing 7 in 2010 so not too shabby yeah?) George Williams can't play off the cuff?? Really??? And what do you mean by currently? A fit Sam Tomkins & Morgan Escare?? So we could have a line up with 1 - Escare 6 - Williams 7 - Tomkins and you say we've no 'off the cuff' players?? Really???????'"
ALL 1, 6, 7, and 9 to be creative positions.
We have Sam and George who are creative. That's about it.
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| Quote jinkin jimmy="jinkin jimmy"Ive resisted calls for Sam to move up previously but perhaps this is the way to go next season.'"
Then we're compensating for Tommy's lack of creativity at 7 putting Sam there. On the same token we now have Tommy as a very expensive interchange 9 when we could have stuck with Sam Powell and used Tommy's wage elsewhere.
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"ALL 1, 6, 7, and 9 to be creative positions.
We have Sam and George who are creative. That's about it.'"
I thought it sounded mad!
I'd argue that we can carry a less creative 9 if we have Lockers on the field and the PTB is quick enough.
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Then we're compensating for Tommy's lack of creativity at 7 putting Sam there. On the same token we now have Tommy as a very expensive interchange 9 when we could have stuck with Sam Powell and used Tommy's wage elsewhere.'"
TBH I never thought Escaré would be so good! Moving Sam now wouldn't be as big an issue IMO.
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| Escare brought a long kicking game I didn't think he'd have and his passing was much better then expected also. I would be more then happy with him at fullback and Sam in the halves next year.
It's tough to think it because they're three very popular players but the squad balance could be better without one of Leuluai, McIlorum or Powell.
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