And the 2010 side containing Sam, Joel, Hansen, Mossop, Tommy, Goulding etc should have dominated for the last 5 years but didn't. We had the players then to create a dominant side but all of the above moved on. Why won't it happen again?

Simply put nothing is locked in and I'm sick to death of this living for the what's supposedly 24 months on the horizon. The notion that another trophyless season is acceptable because in 12/24/36 months we maybe dominant is fools talk imo.

Delivering success last night was just as important as winning SL next season. There's too much talk and emphasis on the future and not enough attention to the here and now. FWIW that's not all down to Wane some of it lands at the feet of IL

There's always an excuse!

It's Ben Flowers fault. The ref didn't spot a knock on. Both Hull and Cas were in the middle of a purple patch etc etc.

I think people are forgetting that Wigan aren't the only side in the comp. There have been 12 trophies on offer since Wane has been on charge. Wigan have won 3 of them, that's not bad (considering there are 4/5 teams capable of winning trophies it's just right).
Had it not been for one incident last year they'd have one more and this year Leeds were always going to have that fairytale finish. The Leeds side is just as good as Wigan's (On paper and their youngsters) and it's so arrogant to suggest that Wigan definitely should be winning everything!
There is nobody that will do a better job at this club than Shaun Wane, the reasons are obvious.

I see your point. But we are a young team with real promise. A lot younger than 2010. Manfredi, Gildart, Bateman, Williams, Hampshire and Sutton have so much improvement in them and they are already good enough. We have the best back row. Lockers showed last night he has plenty left to offer. Our props stood up and Flower and Mossop ended the season on a real high. For me we need a better hooker and one more prop. Other than that I'm happy.

Sit back and enjoy the ride

Who said that we expect us to win everything? That same line gets thrown around by every happy clapping Wane supporter our there.

To put a simple point on it Leeds seem to win at least one trophy every other year. That for me is the benchmark that Wigan, as another big club, have to be matching.

On the one hand you think we should win at least one trophy per year. And yet you protest that you don't think we should win everything. As there are only two trophies each year worth winning, you have previously argued that the LLS is meaningless, your logic is amiss.

You do know what "benchmark" means don't you?

My opinion on Shaun is..

First season, his Wigan team looked just a mirror of Maguires, which is expected as they had been well drilled and had the same top pro's in the team, the double was a continuation of Maguires ethos by Shaun.

Second Season, Started really well, looked solid, played some great rugby but started to come up short in big games, by the latter part of the season i was really sick of him, constant gobbing off, and just acting like an idiot in the press..etc.

This Year, Start of the year i was against him and wanted rid, but as the year progressed and he stopped making an idiot of himself in the press, the team started playing well at home, and he showed that he is a good coach in his own right.

We can't let him go right now as he is learning all the time and i feel he can get Wigan over the line in the future, but we can't wait forever.

The people who say, "We are setup for the future" may reflect if George Williams is wearing a Rooster shirt in two years time and Manfredi has a Souths one on.

But Shaun for me, there's no one better for the job right now.

This was his 4th year mate.

In the first year (2012) we were better then at any time under Maguire for the majority of the season but came up short in a couple of semi's.

2013- The double. We didn't play as well over the course of the year as we did in 2012 but we got the job done when it mattered.

2014- up and down year but came good at the end. We'd have won the GF with 13 men.

2015- A really frustrating year IMO but we found ourselves again at the back end. Felt we were the better side in the GF but didn't get it over the line. I do think our finish to the season will prove very worthwhile in the long run. I thought we'd lost our belief earlier in the year and had no swagger but that's been back recently. We look aggressive again which is massive for us.

We'll grow over the coming seasons. We must do a better job at keeping the side together though. That's up to Lenagan to sort out though!

4th, god, i'm going Mad.

But yes, i think he will come good, i hope he does because i'd hate to lose him from any aspect of Wigan RL..

Back to type is see with the condescending posts.

How is my logic flawed? People just can't make statements up to pad out their flawed arguments - not once have I said that we should win everything every year. History proves that's almost impossible to achieve I.e this is the first SL treble in history. Double seasons are also a rarity, so why would I demand something that I personally think is unachievable?

[iBenchmark - a standard or point of reference against which things may be compared.[/i

Since 2007 Leeds have bagged a trophy every other year. That is the point of reference or standard to compare ourselves to. It's not arrogance or wishful thinking to argue we should be winning a trophy every other year as that's what another side is doing! Since 2010 I'd argue we've had a team equal to that of Leeds (better in fact in some seasons) so we haven't achieved what we need to.

Not hard to understand that if you want to be the best then you have to measure yourself against something. What hard facts are you measuring success on? I've set my stall out all season (for the reasons above) that says 2 years without a trophy isn't good enough. That's my measure of success - again what is yours?

The tough calls could make or break him. He needs to evolve the side and make sure we don't stand still.

I thought there were some positive signs late on in the year on that score with Charnley being left out and Gildart being kept in the side. The easy calls would have been the opposite of that.

Gildart looks top already, it's those calls that warm me again. The MM love in is a bit too much though. he ain't that special but Shaun is loyal and i suppose that's why some players love him and others not under the umbrella feel a little out of place.