Yep...should never play for Wigan again.

I'd consider paying him up after tonight (working out some sort of package). He is here for a pension, there's no point kidding ourselves! We haven't let somebody take us for a ride like this for years but this guy is.

He appalled me tonight when Cas scored that last try.

Wiliams has got play 7 and Hampshire 6.
SW has got give Williams a run of matches. Like you say he's done nothing wrong and SW gave him a starting number so he should at least give the guy 5 or 6 consecutive matches to prove himself.

Where does it come from that it's Wanes fault? And the atmosphere he's created drives these guys away?

It's cash! Plain and simple!! Leeds keep their players because they're paid what they're worth. I'm not throwing salary cap muck at Leeds here but in truth they're probably paying players 'slightly more' then the rest but if they can afford it then why not.

Don't kid yourself players leave Wigan due to the 'atmosphere' and stay at Leeds for the love. Go and watch a DVD of the magic weekend last year if you think those Wigan lads are unhappy under Wanes methods.

In terms of Wigans performances, I think they dropped when ST left. His absence in the backline can't be underestimated as he was the perfect player coming in on the arc. Wigans attacking structure created space on the edges and who else would you want capitalising on that? Josh Charnley scored a lot of tries off the back of his work.

I also think it is a mistake not playing Hampshire at 6. The kid is a future superstar but not at full back where he is left exposed.

Your dominance a few years back came from an uncompromising pack, controlling halves and a star player exploiting the space that the first 2 had made. Whilst the squad isn't vastly weaker, I think all those areas have lost a bit of potency.

Well, if that's true, and if reports of the offer to Joe Burgess are true, then Wigan are managing the cap really badly (Bowen's wage, a million middling props).

I don't think there's any salary cap muck to throw at Leeds. Hall stays for less than he'd get in the NRL because he's happy at the club. Maybe he's just a homebody and that's lucky for us, but maybe there's something about what Leeds offer in player welfare/development/education too.

DVD of Magic Weekend? Pro sportsmen desperately want to win the game they're playing in shock. That doesn't show anything positive or negative about their general employment at Wigan.

It started the day Madge said he was leaving. Wane is likeable to Wigan fans because of his history but sadly he's a limited coach who's simply too obsessed with youth.

I fear he's a Brian Kidd i.e. the perfect number 2 but lacking something for the top job.

I think tonight has proved that Powell is the best English coach in the game.

For a Saints fan that's a pretty accurate summary!

Wigan remind me of Bradford and their decline. A coach cines in and revolutionises then, then the next coach who learned from him tries to emulate him without advancing with the game and gradually the team falls to bits.

I always though Wane was a poor choice of coach as he never seemed smart enough but I was happy to be proven wrong, I think now we are fully out of the Maguire influence and the team is suffering.


I don't like the Wigan mentality Wane has, it's too insular. We need the best team we can put in the field not a team full of local lads.

The game plan we are using this year is one that should be employed by a big side, Wane identified we need a big side........he recruits small players.

Players like Farrell are becoming our weakness croud favourites local lads on big money but not performing. I'd swap Farrell for Vea or Greenwood in a heartbeat.

Finally in my opinion the squad has no balance. Clearly Wane has opted for strength in depth rather than quality, and that is killing us.

Very very harsh and this eulogy of Maguire at the moment is becoming ridiculous. His second season ended in a damp squib even with a substantially improved squad. We lost twice on the bounce to saints in the play offs and at no time did we look like we had any inkling on how to change the game when we were very much second best. How many kids did he bring through????
Agree with your last sentence.

They're all happy to stay at Leeds for the love of the club. I don't buy it but maybe I'm a cynic. Like I say I feel there's a 'little extra' in the pay packet but you can afford it so why not.

So a DVD of magic doesn't prove the lads at Wigan are happy to play for Wane...fair enough. How do you proof lads leaving is down to him as you made out?

You can't and I can't but our squad certainly hasn't looked unhappy under Wane these past few years. If that's all been eroded in one off season then fair enough but I don't see it.

Yep and he's gone downhill since then as well, so your comment is justified.