I do agree and they sort of go hand in hand. I think we'll be fine when Mossop and Flower are back because that's two good props which will in turn lead to more space for our halves.

Williams has been impressive but Smith needs to offer more. A lot of the England tourists are struggling! Charnley, Burgess, Smith and Farrell well below par and Sarge and Lockers either injured or just back.

Ian Lenagan should agree to loan Joe Burgess to London Broncos for the rest of this year. He will make a difference down there.

Was Tautai injured as he did one spell played ok and I never saw him come back on

Maguire developed a very simple, effective, aggressive system. The off the cuff stuff was solely down to a once in a generation player. Maguire wouldn't have been as successful with the present incumbent in his team.

You are a very strange person.....

Back spasms after his first spell apparently

It's been a frustrating start in terms of injuries because he does look good when we've seen him.

Thought he must be injured because it certainly wasn't ideal conditions to be a forward interchange down last night, but the sky commentary team never mentioned it.

Went to the game and would say :

Positives: Attitude, bottle, Clubb, TT first half, Bateman, size of crowd.

Negatives: Bowen (will he ever be anything but terrible in a big game?), Burgess, starting Props, halves, library esque crowd until last 5 minutes of normal time.

My overall view is that Broncos there for the taking but Wigan were a bit clueless with the ball, kicked poorly and are game but undersized.

Consistent refereeing?

Positives -
Clubb - One of his best performances in a Wigan shirt
Bateman - His defence was huge. Really seemed keen to make up for the absence of Lockers
McIlorum - He just did what he does. Great defence, lively around the ruck
Farrell - Back to his old self, his work rate was phenomenal and he dealt with Thaiday well
Williams - He provided a running option, his defence was outstanding and he caused problems with some excellent short kicks. Great composure for Budgie's try too
Sarge - He was just a bundle of energy. Never stopped running. Showed signs that he will continue where he left off last year

Negatives -
Burgess - He always looks nervous, but last night he seemed to play nervous. At least he took his try well
Bowen - He was shaky in defence and completely ineffective in attack. If we had another decent centre we'd be better with Sarge at fullback.
Smith - He wasn't too bad but he should be putting himself in the spotlight more with Green gone. Williams has outplayed him in both games and Powell showed a much better range of passing against Huddersfield. At the moment Smith's kicking game is his only saving grace.

One thing to mention regarding kicking. We really should have kicked on the 4th tackle during our first set in extra time last night. We weren't getting out of our own half, there was nothing on but acres of space to kick in to and pin them down in the corner. Instead we waited until the last, kicked it down the wingers throat and they made plenty of yards. Had we pushed them back early on we would have had a better chance at gaining the upper hand in terms of field position. It just looked like the only plan was 'head down and drive until we get close enough for a drop goal'. Brisbane were just so much smarter in extra time.

To be fair extra time was always going to be tough as we started the period by receiving the kick.

The result and performance may well reflect the rest of the season. Full of commitment but not quite good enough. Hope I'm wrong.
Positives: Clubb & Bateman. Also thought Williams at times was good and he did look to take the Broncos on.
Negatives: agree with majority on lack of quality in the front row aside Clubb. I just don't see what Patrick gives us. Biggest negative is the constant kick and hope on the last tackle near the opposition line. Can't we mix it even occasionally?
Not a great game but like the Wire match a close contest that could have gone either way