I am genuinely at a loss to see how a player's comment after the last game of the season is in any way relevant to a coach's comment after a pre-season friendly.

because the coach and player didn't come out crying and that was a lot more thuggish than a miss timed tackle.

Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" He has nowhere near the form Mr brown has, and Sam was targeted in most games, with good reason..

Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" He has nowhere near the form Mr brown has, and Sam was targeted in most games, with good reason..

Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.

Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.

Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.'" 2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith

Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.'" 2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith

Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith'" You have been busy. At least you have just proved the point that Wigan's halves get injured and it's not just Wigan's opponents that suffer from cheap shots. But fair play to you SW apparently does moan. I sit corrected.

Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith'" You have been busy. At least you have just proved the point that Wigan's halves get injured and it's not just Wigan's opponents that suffer from cheap shots. But fair play to you SW apparently does moan. I sit corrected.

Haha. To be fair, if he believes that his halfbacks have been unfairly targeted then he has every right to moan. There's too much of it that goes on for me.

I agree he does. But that should be done through the proper channels and not via the press.

All coaches of all sports whinge and moan about many things. The main reason for it is an attempt to influence referees in future games. If a ref has a seed planted for example that Tomkins was being unfairly targeted, subconsciously the ref is more likely to be looking for it and therefore give the 50-50 decisions in his teams favour.

Secondly it influences fans as can be clearly seen from the Walsh 'incident' in the friendly. Didn't take a lot to whip up those incapable of formulating their own opinion into a frenzy over something which didn't even happen.

What didn't happen?

Bugger all this talk about Walsh now, he is fine there is no issue.

After his performance I think it is far more appropriate to talk about Matty Smith, top class performance, he seemed to be at the heart of everything that we did.

I think this could be the season he looks to make the 7 jersey his for England.

It should have been his for the WC but thats an arguement for another day