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| Maybe it was agreed not to release the info but someone has, do we know?!?!?!?!?!?!
I demand to be told all the machinations of the club in a letter, hand delivered each day!!!!
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| In the world of PR spin it's better if you let someone else report the bad news and just keep to reporting the good news yourself. Why people seem shocked by this is a mystery.
Top of the league, in the semi final of the cup. I suppose the need to have a good moan means the source of news is today's whinge topic.
The Brigantes need a flag to show how we're the best at whinging too. No one can match our whinging history.
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| Definitely have to sign a prop now in my opinion. Moi Moi on a 2 year deal would be nice.
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| I would rather a player that wants to leave is allowed to leave but I think they should've got some compensation really. Can you imagine this happening in football?
If a player has a year left in football they will sell them for millions so by rl standards I think 50-100k would've been a fair price. At the end of the day Wigan now need to put a lot of time and money into recruitment. We may have a lot of forwards but we don't have the experienced prop now our most experienced forwards are hock and Hansen now so we need someone else to come in as obviously they arent props. Unless they are intending on moving hock to prop permanently from next year.
This is the thing the club probably have it all under control they don't have to tell us everything the problem here isn't the club it's the fact that all too many players now think contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Its not just foreigners either like most are saying take Joel for example...
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| do you think that wigan would have let him go without seeking a replacement 1st??
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| Quote: wiganparkside "do you think that wigan would have let him go without seeking a replacement 1st??'"
Probably. All depends on when the club became aware he wanted to leave.
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| Leeds have had such success in winning Grand Finals over the last few years by keeping the team together. Why can't Wigan ?
In my opinion the turn-over of players is far too great at the moment. If you lose your best prop and best half-back then you will only weaken the side.
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| Quote: hula89 "I would rather a player that wants to leave is allowed to leave but I think they should've got some compensation really. Can you imagine this happening in football?
If a player has a year left in football they will sell them for millions so by rl standards I think 50-100k would've been a fair price. At the end of the day Wigan now need to put a lot of time and money into recruitment. We may have a lot of forwards but we don't have the experienced prop now our most experienced forwards are hock and Hansen now so we need someone else to come in as obviously they arent props. Unless they are intending on moving hock to prop permanently from next year.
This is the thing the club probably have it all under control they don't have to tell us everything the problem here isn't the club it's the fact that all too many players now think contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Its not just foreigners either like most are saying take Joel for example...'"
I wouldn't assume that we haven't got compensation. The original newspaper said something like "Lima has managed to secure his release", which to me suggests that a bit of horse-trading went on. Of course, it's only newpaper talk.
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| Not great news management and sorry to see him go, but this is not a disaster.
We will have plenty of cash to get a new prop.
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| While I see why people are annoyed at how it's come about, I stand by what I said yesterday about players leaving. If they do it this year, so be it, as it gives us a year's head start on the Leeds and Warringtons of the league who will be replacing en masse shortly.
Plus, as long as Wane is in charge, I'll not be worried about the state of our front row.
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| It's a bit of a murky world this press release etc.
Wigan probably agreed with Souths not to release the story until some arranged time. The press got hold of it and the clubs were left picking up the pieces.
Wigan may well have a replacement in line but again could have agreed with the player and his club not to release details of his departure until much later in the season.
It can and sometimes does happen like that.
It maybe we've signed a half back replacement for Tommy but are not giving out details until later in the season. You just never know do you?
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| Quote: cadoo "It's infuriating to see players leave before their contracts are up and the club not taking any sort of 'hard-fist' approach & even allowing the club that have snapped up the player to announce the signing before we've announced his departure/mid-way through our season. People will spout the keeping a player against his will/contracts not worth the paper etc etc but that's total BS. Lima has a contract with the club. We don't have to let him go. He certainly doesn't look like he doesn't enjoy it here. I'd have made it as awkward as possible for Madge to get Lima - demand compensation/player swap/wait till we have a replacement etc '"
Exactly and if contracts are not worth the paper they are written on how come we are supposed to have a watertight one with Sam T?
Quote: cadoo "I don't blame Madge for moving for Lima. If you can get a player of that quality why not - we did with Finch and Hoffman along with Lima in the first place. '"
Madge has been unethical. Would he like us to induce one of his contracted players out to break his contract early?
Quote: cadoo "He's going to take some replacing. He's our pack leader IMO. Statistically I think he's the best prop forward in Super League. He does the basics so well, so consistent, well disciplined and makes over 100+ metres a game & is a big game player too (Lance Todd trophy winner). Replacing a player of that quality with Eric Lauaki or Gil Dudson wont be good enough IMO. Not only would we lose quality, but we would also be losing depth in the side.
So far we could end up having to replace our best prop forward, our two halfbacks and our best centre since Renouf in Carmont.
Ouch.'"
These are all the reasons why IL has screwed up completely here by not enforcing the contract. As others have said Lima hardly looks upset at being here. Given he only had another year to go even if Lima spat the dummy out he would have been an ideal player to make an example of. Unlike Joel who had years left to run on his deal Lima with only 12 months left could have sat on the sidelines for a season if that meant players, agents and coaches go the message Wigan isn't a soft touch when it comes to contracts, which under IL it clearly is.
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| Quote: Father Ted "It's a bit of a murky world this press release etc.
Wigan probably agreed with Souths not to release the story until some arranged time. The press got hold of it and the clubs were left picking up the pieces.
Wigan may well have a replacement in line but again could have agreed with the player and his club not to release details of his departure until much later in the season.
It can and sometimes does happen like that.
It maybe we've signed a half back replacement for Tommy but are not giving out details until later in the season. You just never know do you?'"
With Wigan, no you don't. In this case with Souths, you do.
Other clubs have absolutely no problem with announcing new signings and clearly don't give a stuff what Wigan think so the fact we have not announced anyone leads to the conclusion we have not signed anyone. Including re-signing Finch.
There is absolutely no reason to bury good news. None. Certainly not the sensibilities of other clubs.
The excuse we may have agreed with player and club to say nowt is very tired and pretty ridiculous when every club who takes a a player from us announces it in the press as soon as they can. IL gains nothing by keeping quiet and just annoys the fans. But I suspect the reason for silence is as I said because we have not signed anyone.
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| Quote: Guerrier "
Plus, as long as Wane is in charge, I'll not be worried about the state of our front row.'"
Surely your not thinking of playing Wane in the front row ?
He was good in his time.
But I would suggest he is a bit 'past it' now.
Back on track though.
I am another that feels let down by these southern hemisphere players, just walking out of their contractual obligations.
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| A lot of comments on here seem to be reactionary, somewhat knee-jerk in light of Lima's departure. Personally regardless of numerous comments on here I still have faith in IL, and why wouldn't I have faith considering all the well calculated positive implementations he's developed since he took over. Granted not everything has been plain sailing, however that's business, thats life.
I am happy with our squad and development of Wigan lads led by a Wigan coach, not just any Wigan coach but an excellent Wigan coach who as excelled at all levels of his development. Currently we are progressing nicely in both competitions-we are doing well.
Lima on paper seems like a big loss, but lets not react to the transfer until we know the bigger picture, IL could have something planned that will ease the pain of losing one of our quality props.
Even if no one is signed-which could actually be a good thing, we have all the potential to develop some of our current players to be even better than Lima is today, sharing the cap out with tact amongst a 'Wigan' team.
IMO Hansen could step up and become a good workhorse prop. And lets face it, he won't be doing a runner anytime soon...
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