I said the same on the first page and I think they will beat us. However, the fact we have not beaten them for the last two games we played in could be great motivation for us.

It depends on how deep the rot actually is.

The law of averages and such don't come into it if a team is losing because there is a major malfunction at the club. In the first half of our relegation season, I never once thought we would win next week because we were due a win. Things were going so wrong at all levels that I couldn't see where our next win was going to come from.

I doubt things are quite that bad at Saints, but it's clearly the case that Simmons is not the right man for that job. In addition, as others have said, they've lost world-beating players in recent years and not replaced them adequately. If the current Saints team has lost all confidence, is uninspired by a poor leader, or is simply not good enough - or a combination of all three - even the passion generated by a Good Friday derby may be insufficient to raise them.

Judging by the shambolic performance being put in at the moment Wigan have a lot in common with Saints.

Yeah but our feelings after 75-0 were about the dark days of the late 80s and 90s when we were your bridesmaids. I'd say the Superleague era has simply evened things up between the two teams, certainly in recent decades.

In the days of relegation when you probably should have been relegated, you'd have been hard pushed to find a Saints fan who actually wanted you to go down. That's not because we love you or anything but because we wanted the rivalry to continue, which it wouldn't have done had you gone down.

At this moment in time we are just as sh[ii[/it as them!

Really? We can go second in the league today! Without that blip at Widnes we could be top of the league.

Saints have been awful. They didn't even look convincing against salford.

At the time I posted it was 6-18 to London. So realistically we had no rights to mock them.

Well, it's moved on a bit since the boards went down.

Royce back in!

Not quite sure what to make of the Simmons sacking.

Is he a poor coach? - he doesn't seem like a very charismatic guy, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Has player power conspired against him? Heard some odd rumours to that effect.

Or is it rank poor recruitment? Don't rate many recent Saints signings, while their old stagers are at times a bit of an embarrassment. I've never seen anyone contest decisions with the referee the way Wellens does. Perhaps he should put as much effort into leading the side.

IT WAS NEVER GOING TO WORK

Made my day, especially after all the "ape" comments from Stains fans early in the season.

Made my day, especially after all the "ape" comments from Stains fans early in the season.