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| Peacock started the season poorly by his own standards as I recall but, lately, he's been immense for Leeds. Then again, I have to agree with some of the other posters. I haven't seen him look really good at test level since 2007. His effort is never questionable but he just doesn't seem to have the same effectiveness against the Aussies/Kiwis that he used to. Morley is also fading at test level. For me, Graham has to stand up and be the man in England's front row from now on. Coley has been very good this season, one of several possibilities for the England squad. Eorl Crabtree was pretty good in the 4 Nations last year. Fielden has improved dramatically but still not quite enough in my view. Carvell is very useful. Maybe we should get Keith Mason in there to niggle the Aussies?!
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| Quote tyr="tyr"Peacock started the season poorly by his own standards as I recall but, lately, he's been immense for Leeds. Then again, I have to agree with some of the other posters. I haven't seen him look really good at test level since 2007. His effort is never questionable but he just doesn't seem to have the same effectiveness against the Aussies/Kiwis that he used to. Morley is also fading at test level. For me, Graham has to stand up and be the man in England's front row from now on. Coley has been very good this season, one of several possibilities for the England squad. Eorl Crabtree was pretty good in the 4 Nations last year. Fielden has improved dramatically but still not quite enough in my view. Carvell is very useful. Maybe we should get Keith Mason in there to niggle the Aussies?!'"
The problem is that Morley, Graham and Peacock dominate for their clubs, taking it in all the time. The Wigan props' stats look poor in comparison as they share the workload more equitably, and the wingers at Wigan do more hard graft. At international level they have to share out the workload and therefore are not as effective. Graham, as the younger man, should now step up to another level.
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| Quote Finfin="Finfin"and the wingers at Wigan do more hard graft. '"
Expand on this point please.
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| Quote Sam Buca="Sam Buca"Expand on this point please.'"
If you compare Pat Richards with Ryan Hall - Pat has played 2 more games (25 - 23) and taken 92 more carries (412 - 320) making 764 metres (3394 - 2630) more than Hall.
Goulding has played 3 more games than Scott Donald (18 - 15), made 77 more drives (211 - 134) and 733 more metres (1748 - 1015).
Similarly, Hicks and Riley don't have the same workload as the Wigan wingers.
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| Quote Finfin="Finfin"If you compare Pat Richards with Ryan Hall - Pat has played 2 more games (25 - 23) and taken 92 more carries (412 - 320) making 764 metres (3394 - 2630) more than Hall.
Goulding has played 3 more games than Scott Donald (18 - 15), made 77 more drives (211 - 134) and 733 more metres (1748 - 1015).
Similarly, Hicks and Riley don't have the same workload as the Wigan wingers.'"
Fair point.
It is also down to the number of times the ball is shipped out to the wingers. If you're very forward orientated and drive down the middle and put a kick in, then your wingers dont see much of the ball and cant make as many carries and meters.
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| Quote Finfin="Finfin"The problem is that Morley, Graham and Peacock dominate for their clubs, taking it in all the time. The Wigan props' stats look poor in comparison as they share the workload more equitably, and the wingers at Wigan do more hard graft. At international level they have to share out the workload and therefore are not as effective. Graham, as the younger man, should now step up to another level.'"
Peacocks meters per carry are still higher and more tackles form less games, what this has to do with wingers I have no idea.
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| Quote Finfin="Finfin"If you compare Pat Richards with Ryan Hall - Pat has played 2 more games (25 - 23) and taken 92 more carries (412 - 320) making 764 metres (3394 - 2630) more than Hall.
Goulding has played 3 more games than Scott Donald (18 - 15), made 77 more drives (211 - 134) and 733 more metres (1748 - 1015).
Similarly, Hicks and Riley don't have the same workload as the Wigan wingers.'"
How many games has Richards played at fullback this year?
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| Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"How many games has Richards played at fullback this year?'"
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| Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"How many games has Richards played at fullback this year?'"
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| Quote bomber07="bomber07"fielden is awfull'"
Go give your head a bang.
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| Quote RockNRolla="RockNRolla"Go give your head a bang.'"
He's been alright this year, he's still behind a fair few for England imo.
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| Morley will be captain, I'd like to think that Coley would get a shot now but the smart money has to be on two of Crabtree/Westwood/Jones-Buchanan/Lynch
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