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Quote: SFW "I'd be willing to walk over personally but everyone is different. If Welsby is a home bird like O'Loughlin, Roby etc then I won't be complaining.

Agree with the importance of planning and there's been a big debate about it on Redvee. We've heard about this generation of new kids and how good they are for a while now, so I think patience is wearing a bit thin waiting for them to get their chance (Stephens excepted). It's important that they are drip fed into a settled team and with so many players currently injured I can understand why it hasn't happened yet. Maybe London was the opportunity to give Vaughan a run in hindsight, personally I was happy to err on the side of caution and rack up the points difference given they had two weeks off prior and another week off coming up. But when we see the likes of Farrimond and Eckersley fitting in and performing straight away it ramps up the pressure even more and I can understand the criticism.

I still think most are a while off, maybe Vaughan this year and the rest next year, maybe longer still. With all that said, Delaney and Stephens got their chance due to injury and both have took it. Given Wellens' track record with his interchange management maybe they will all only get in due to an injury crisis
When you say they a while off, do you mean mentally, physically, or both? The other question is, are the likes of Vaughan better than those that are currently substituting for injured players? The only way of knowing if these lads have what it takes is to present them with the opportunity at first team level, the reserves competition will do little to accelerate their development. It can be surprising what impact a first team appearance can have on a young lad. Farrimond is not the biggest but he has took the opportunity with both hands, it has given him the confidence to perform at a higher level, and it also gives the coaches a welcome selection headache.

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Certainly both at this stage. Vaughan has been playing pretty regularly for Swinton on dual reg and I think that is a path these lads will follow after the reserves before coming into the first team picture. He was 18th man against London which would indicate he's nearly ready in the eyes of the coaching staff. I would have no problem picking Vaughan as long as he is given a fair go, unlike Royle or Davies on Sunday.

The likes of Burns, Cowen, Roberts and Bailey have also played for Swinton in recent weeks. Of those Burns is the oldest and most physically developed, he had a good season on DR for Crusaders last term and he should be close to an opportunity. Cowen has had some eye catching performances but the rest are still finding their feet by all accounts.

Below that there are some exciting prospects coming into the first team squad next year who I would expect to follow Vaughan's current trajectory.

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Quote: SFW "Certainly both at this stage. Vaughan has been playing pretty regularly for Swinton on dual reg and I think that is a path these lads will follow after the reserves before coming into the first team picture. He was 18th man against London which would indicate he's nearly ready in the eyes of the coaching staff. I would have no problem picking Vaughan as long as he is given a fair go, unlike Royle or Davies on Sunday.

The likes of Burns, Cowen, Roberts and Bailey have also played for Swinton in recent weeks. Of those Burns is the oldest and most physically developed, he had a good season on DR for Crusaders last term and he should be close to an opportunity. Cowen has had some eye catching performances but the rest are still finding their feet by all accounts.

Below that there are some exciting prospects coming into the first team squad next year who I would expect to follow Vaughan's current trajectory.'"


Vaughan is too small for an edge forward and too slow to play centre. He’s another Sam Royle.

That’s why wellens won’t play him, despite the mass hysteria on redvee.

There are only 2 good youngsters at saints who haven’t made their debut yet. Robertson and Whitby. Both of whom are massively inferior to farrimond.

Mike rush mentioned a golden generation coming and all the toothless simpletons at redvee bought it lol

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Quote: SFW "Certainly both at this stage. Vaughan has been playing pretty regularly for Swinton on dual reg and I think that is a path these lads will follow after the reserves before coming into the first team picture. He was 18th man against London which would indicate he's nearly ready in the eyes of the coaching staff. I would have no problem picking Vaughan as long as he is given a fair go, unlike Royle or Davies on Sunday.

The likes of Burns, Cowen, Roberts and Bailey have also played for Swinton in recent weeks. Of those Burns is the oldest and most physically developed, he had a good season on DR for Crusaders last term and he should be close to an opportunity. Cowen has had some eye catching performances but the rest are still finding their feet by all accounts.

Below that there are some exciting prospects coming into the first team squad next year who I would expect to follow Vaughan's current trajectory.'"


Vaughan is too small for an edge forward and too slow to play centre. He’s another Sam Royle.

That’s why wellens won’t play him, despite the mass hysteria on redvee.

There are only 2 good youngsters at saints who haven’t made their debut yet. Robertson and Whitby. Both of whom are massively inferior to farrimond.

Mike rush mentioned a golden generation coming and all the toothless simpletons at redvee bought it lol

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Quote: RobRiches "Vaughan is too small for an edge forward and too slow to play centre. He’s another Sam Royle.

That’s why wellens won’t play him, despite the mass hysteria on redvee.

There are only 2 good youngsters at saints who haven’t made their debut yet. Robertson and Whitby. Both of whom are massively inferior to farrimond.

Mike rush mentioned a golden generation coming and all the toothless simpletons at redvee bought it lol'"


I suggest that you watch the England v France Academy game from last night and watch Robertson score 2 tries and have a great game.

He’s not massively inferior to Farrimond at all. He’s just playing for a risk averse coach. Peet would’ve drip fed him in to the team by now if he was at Wigan.

You’ll also be proved wrong by Vaughan too not that it takes much to prove you wrong.

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Quote: Stu M "I suggest that you watch the England v France Academy game from last night and watch Robertson score 2 tries and have a great game.

He’s not massively inferior to Farrimond at all. He’s just playing for a risk averse coach. Peet would’ve drip fed him in to the team by now if he was at Wigan.

You’ll also be proved wrong by Vaughan too not that it takes much to prove you wrong.'"


The bit i've highlighted is the one thing that most Wigan fans would be critical of Matty Peet, but thats probably being ultra critical based on what he's changed since he took over

there have been times where he has had Hill, Nsemba or other youngster on the bench, but hasnt played them. That could be because of how the game panned out, but equally, if they are on the bench, why not play them? Again, ultra critical, but the one thing a few would criticise him for, in terms of trusting the young player

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Speaking of Farrimond, I'm pretty sure he was called up to the England academy squad.

Why did he not play? Was he not selected, or did we pull him because he's playing on Friday?

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Quote: sergeant pepper "Speaking of Farrimond, I'm pretty sure he was called up to the England academy squad.

Why did he not play? Was he not selected, or did we pull him because he's playing on Friday?'"


Been wondering the same. Hopefully it's because we want him fit for Friday and not because he's injured. There's no doubt he would've been selected if available, so it's either injury or us pulling him out.

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Quote: Stu M "I suggest that you watch the England v France Academy game from last night and watch Robertson score 2 tries and have a great game.

He’s not massively inferior to Farrimond at all. He’s just playing for a risk averse coach. Peet would’ve drip fed him in to the team by now if he was at Wigan.

You’ll also be proved wrong by Vaughan too not that it takes much to prove you wrong.'"


Stu, you have been dragged in again!

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Quote: Zig "Stu, you have been dragged in again!'"


I know, I should learn really! I did leave it says though to reply but after Robertson's performance last night I had to put him straight icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Stu M "I suggest that you watch the England v France Academy game from last night and watch Robertson score 2 tries and have a great game.

He’s not massively inferior to Farrimond at all. He’s just playing for a risk averse coach. Peet would’ve drip fed him in to the team by now if he was at Wigan.

You’ll also be proved wrong by Vaughan too not that it takes much to prove you wrong.'"


Lmao at your last paragraph. When have you ever proven me wrong? Show me the posts? That’s right you can’t Lmao

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Quote: RobRiches "Lmao at your last paragraph. When have you ever proven me wrong? Show me the posts? That’s right you can’t Lmao'"


You're a bit of a weirdo to be honest, always spoiling decent discussions and debates on this forum. Nobody goes on the Virtual Terrace forum anymore, I'm sure it's been mainly down to you (and your former guises).

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Quote: MattyB "You're a bit of a weirdo to be honest, always spoiling decent discussions and debates on this forum. Nobody goes on the Virtual Terrace forum anymore, I'm sure it's been mainly down to you (and your former guises).'"


he needs banning

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Still waiting for Stu M……..oops

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Quote: RobRiches "Lmao at your last paragraph. When have you ever proven me wrong? Show me the posts? That’s right you can’t Lmao'"


Hi Rob,
Can I ask you a question,Why do you ask a question then answer it yourself,it's just like one of your voices in your head has answered it.

You are strange.

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