Donna he makes them move forard a yard or so then hold in defence. trent tried to tell him last season and got screamed at for daring to suggest something contrary to Mr Noble's wished. He is a control freak.

The crazy flat line where player do not run onto the ball, the lack of set plays are all as deemed by Noble.

I agree there are issues with his tactics, but come on Charlie, my kids have better ball possession and more pride than was on display today.

You have a point but IMO if you look at the way Wigan are organised it is like a schoolboy team. Everybody stands still, 1 player gets it and tries to beat the whole team on his own. Now that is okay for schoolboys.

Doing that v professional RL players is a recipe for disaster and results in dropped balls etc etc.

You have to remember that all these players are full time rugby league players who earn good money every week. And to only have a 40% completion rate is terrible.

a great post. someone should also point out to brian that his team can pass the ball wide.

Utter shambles, makes you wonder what the guys were doing in Lanzarote and in training at Orrell

I was quite impressed with Noble's enthusiasm at the recent forum, its a pity he can't instill this into the players.

I still think we need an aggressive prop

All in not lost its only the first game, bring on Hull

I would agree with that.

Explains why even though most of our forwards had good games we did little during the game. It is like running into a brick wall.

But Nobby is a full time coach and his tactics are poor. He is also the man who ought to whip these full time players into shape so they don't have such poor completion rates.

I get the impression he says "do this, do that" and then sends them onto the pitch and then he watches the game as a mildly interested observer. If we are rubbish he says why but I have not seen much evidence of him doing anything about it. He seems about as powerful as you or I to change things for the better but the difference between us and him is that it is his job to do so.

Dave

o' barrell didnt do that badly. coley needs a big season or id have him shipped out

O'Carroll was our MoM.

couldnt get to game and didnt hear it announced on radio. was just my overall impression.

I am pretty sure Feka was announced over the Tannoy as MoM (which was a joke) but O'Carroll and to a lesser extent J Tomkins were some positives to take away from the game.

Dave

People are going to lol but our forwards often work harder than their oppoents. Feka was head and shoulders above anybody else at times in that game for both sides. However, the way we play is so unproductive it is hopeless. We do not go through a set to engineer an opening. It is just 1 v 13 tackle after tackle. Pro teams can deal with that with one hand tied behind their back.

Our prop often take tackls 1 and 2 religiously in every set. Not hard for opposition tams to know this and just blitz them.