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A fabulous game, top notch entertainment, congratulations to both teams, rugby league was the winner.
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It missed some Wire/Wigan biff but was still a good game.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I wasn’t giving an example, purely reminiscing about an incident that we have fond memories of. The rules in many areas have changed but you can attempt to get your leg under the ball to stop it being grounded. Regardless of the call being correct or not, he wasn’t penalised so unless they ignored blatant foul play you must be wrong.'"
Dont be daft, you know as well as i do that all sorts of gets ignored, and also gets ignored during video ref decisions, someone was also doing their best to drag hughes back by his head during the scramble as well, that didnt even get looked at, that's contact to the head thats not penalised, i guess im wrong about that as well. |
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "A fabulous game, top notch entertainment, congratulations to both teams, rugby league was the winner.'"
Think this does the game justice. Had the feel of a good old fashioned cup tie, in the balance to the very end. |
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| Quote: MadDogg "
Hicks on the video was atrocious - disallowing a clear Wigan try and allowing Wigan a clear no try. I guess it evened up but terrible refereeing.'"
I don't think getting another decision wrong later evens anything up. Scoring or not clearly has an effect on the game [iat the time[/i. Momentum can change, heads drop or pick up. Going behind or in front can make either side do things differently at the time. We simply need a better standard of refereeing and the video refs needs to stop trying to over analyse plays in slow motion to the extent they are playing things back a frame at a time so they can convince themselves that something that didn't happen really did! |
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Was the knock on decision wrong? Wane doesn’t think so, under the current rules. He has a point, there is no requirement for a knock on to require a deliberate act. Compare to RU where I believe “intent” is the difference between a penalty or a scrum for a knock on.
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| Quote: Captain Hook "Was the knock on decision wrong? Wane doesn’t think so, under the current rules. He has a point, there is no requirement for a knock on to require a deliberate act. Compare to RU where I believe “intent” is the difference between a penalty or a scrum for a knock on.'"
To the letter of the law it is a knock on, but the lack of intent makes it hard to stomach because you can't get your arms out the way in that instance. If Austin is judged to lose it behind him as he is going down for example and it hits Tommy's arm as it did then Wire get 6 more tackles. |
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "To the letter of the law it is a knock on, but the lack of intent makes it hard to stomach because you can't get your arms out the way in that instance. If Austin is judged to lose it behind him as he is going down for example and it hits Tommy's arm as it did then Wire get 6 more tackles.'"
I would have been gutted if it was my team that had had that decision go against them. The problem would be trying to come up with a definition that allowed for intent. The vast majority of knock ons are accidental rather than deliberate. |
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| Quote: Captain Hook "I would have been gutted if it was my team that had had that decision go against them. The problem would be trying to come up with a definition that allowed for intent. The vast majority of knock ons are accidental rather than deliberate.'"
I would keep it simple and go with "was there obvious separation between the ball carrier and the ball when the tackler hit the ball with his arms?" On Sunday the Warrington player had not obviously released the ball so I would have said lost in the collision play on. We over complicate the game at times. |
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I've seen them bomb a quarter final, bottle a semi final, finish as league leaders, but I've still, never, seen the Wire win the league
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| Quote: Captain Hook "I would have been gutted if it was my team that had had that decision go against them. The problem would be trying to come up with a definition that allowed for intent. The vast majority of knock ons are accidental rather than deliberate.'"
Slightly OT but deliberate knock ons should be a penalty and potentially yellow card as per rugby union. Knocks downs by wingers that lead to scrums are not big enough rewards for an attacking team who may have worked an overlap for instance |
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| Quote: pk "Slightly OT but deliberate knock ons should be a penalty and potentially yellow card as per rugby union. Knocks downs by wingers that lead to scrums are not big enough rewards for an attacking team who may have worked an overlap for instance'"
And that is why we have the rule as we do today because wingers would feign to be wrapping their arm in the tackle and would end up with the ball. Jon Wells when he was some form of RFL player representative stated that all players go for the ball and here we are with the rule as it is. |
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| Quote: pk "Slightly OT but deliberate knock ons should be a penalty and potentially yellow card as per rugby union. Knocks downs by wingers that lead to scrums are not big enough rewards for an attacking team who may have worked an overlap for instance'"
A deliberate knock on is a penalty. |
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| Quote: Bigredwarrior "A deliberate knock on is a penalty.'"
no its not |
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It doesn’t need a change in the rules, a tackler putting his arm in a position to prevent a pass has been a knock on if contact is made with the ball for quite a few years. It is considered that the defender has made a play at the ball on an assumption a pass will be made. I don’t have an issue with that.
All it needs is common sense from the official, the ball was lost in contact and happened to touch TL, he didn’t make a play at the ball so no knock on.
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Quote: Pieman "no its not'"
It is mate.
Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward.
Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed.
Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.
Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on.
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.
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Quote: Pieman "no its not'"
It is mate.
Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward.
Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed.
Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.
Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on.
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.
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