at people claiming Hohaia should of been sent off for his involvement. I suppose they also think Bateman should of sent off for his handbags, sorry "jawbreaker" on Soliola near the end? No?

No qualms with a B grade, for Hohaia, his retaliation escalated the initial push. It didn't justify the response it got however.

Also, it was Soliola in the first tackle of the match, not Masoe and it was as much of a shoulder charge as Bowens (aka not) - trust me, I've watched it a lot

Let's be fair then, what about the holding down of Roby, another professional foul, but you got away with a penalty and a sore head from Roby's boot. And I don't like Bentham either!

Which teacher was it that taught you to overuse punctuation? Do you think he is proud at this point?

Go uncover a mirror for a while. Go on, you deserve it.

Matty Smith is a very poor kicker though. I wouldn't have gone for two anyway but at least with Pat Richards it would have been a guaranteed two points.

As soon as they decided to go for it I said he'll miss this and sure enough he did. Mind you the real error was not getting it dead rather than actually missing it.

I've also noticed how your perception of a game can change from watching it live avd then watching it back on sky.

Yeah definitely. As far as I was concerned at the match we were reffed out of the match (Obviously the Flower incident notwithstanding) and I watched it back and the only decision I can think of as being off was the Pettybourne knock on. The crowd in particular really makes a difference to your perception. It also felt like Wigan got nothing but their penalty count was higher.

Yep that's my point.

I'm a big boxing fan and like to score the fights on sky. If you have the sound on and listen to the sky team and the crowd, I find I tend to go with what they saying but if turn sound off you score it different. It's pretty much like being at the game and hearing the fans

Watching the game back I thought Bentham had a great game. He controlled the ruck well and gave pens when he needed to. His control of the game was spot on.

I'm not sure how he could have sent Hohaia off in the moment after flower had done that tho. Im not sure any ref would have taken action. Flower's actions took everything away from what happened: Flower shoving Hohaia, the hohaia reaction and the reaction to the forearm. If it ended there both players would have been binned.

...or the near countless unpunished high shots...

"We would have beaten you no matter what the personnel" I think constitutes a reasoned argument 'round these parts, so how about that as suitable riposte?


...you want to try and start taking me on in a bit of verbal badinage then, eh? And you have a go at Lance for starting something he could never finish? Oh the ironing...

Oh, and my dad says that your mother was rubbish by the way, but personally I thought she had her moments. Eye of the beholder and all that I guess.

as a sunday morning referee and wigan fan I thought bentham had a very good game. He and his officials do not get the privilege of multiple camera angles and slowed down footage and the super zoom. They play what they see and have to make split second decisions. I referee up to under 16's level and it is so fast I dread to think the speed of SL!... and if a player is obstructing the view they don't see it. The lance challenge in my opinion was a red card however it was off the ball and no doubt the officials were watching where the ball had gone not what lance had done (notice I keep saying lance as I cant spell his surname) and in that split second it had all happened. I do think when the video ref is available they should be able to use it to see foul play....why not? they do it in Australia I believe (correct me if I am wrong) in such a big game it should have been used to make the correct calls which was a red for flower and a red for lance. I refereed my own home club over the weekend and they thought I had an awful game but I played it as I saw it and there will always be calls that go 50/50 simply for the fact you don't have the full picture but you have to make a decision either way.

FWIW I thought that Lance's elbow and the first Flower punch were both sinbins - a red either way would have been harsh in the extreme and you see worse result in just penalties every week. But the follow-up cheap shot effectively wiped both out. And even if the ref had clearly seen Lance's smash and wanted to act on it, he could hardly have sinbinned him while he was spark out and in obvious considerable distress and after what had just happened. Overall he got it about right. Lance was a very silly boy for retaliating in the first place (rule #1 - never retaliate to provocation as you almost always come off worse) but thankfully for us Flower was much, much sillier.

All this Crap about Lance using his elbow , he pushed Flower with it not hit him and regarding the rest of the game i thought Bentham was as good as i have seen all season .

He's not even been charged with using the elbow so I can't see how people are saying it. I don't think it's even a ban tbh. IMO it's prob a pen and nothing more.

Lance went running in with the elbow with felonious intent and was very silly to do so, end of. There's no need for pointless semantics to try and sugarcoat it.