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| Stuart Fielden has been in excellent form this season, so far and like many of our squad looks to be a different player to previous seasons.
Leeds seem to target Fielden whenever we play them. They are constantly interfering at the play of the ball, which happened again on friday night, resulting in Fielden being judged to have lost the ball or not played it correctly. Mostly they get away with it because it's something the have almost perfected.
Stuart needs to be aware of this when playing Leeds and try to protect the ball more in the tackle.
I'm sure he'll be ready for Saints come Friday and here's hoping he has a stormer!
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| I thought although he did cost a couple of penalties and 3-4 knock on's, his workrate in defensive was immense and his go forward has improved.
I think the last 'knock on' with the Leeds player under him was a joke, i think his reputation went before him on that, and i think that was mentioned on the commentary.
I would ask the people who weren't impressed with Fielden's performance, would you have swapped him for Ryan Bailey? He played 80 mins at prop and made two impacts on the game, having a stupid haircut and a high shot on Fielden.
This is when Leeds are having a injury crisis and would have been looking at more senior players to step up to the mark in the absence of Peacock, Kylie Leuluai. He was awful, zero presence.
I can forgive a few errors if he puts the hard work in defence, and i remember on one occasion him, forcing the error to win back posession after knocking on.
I'd certainly have him over Bailey, who offered nothing for Leeds.
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| Quote: Earthworm Jim "I thought although he did cost a couple of penalties and 3-4 knock on's, his workrate in defensive was immense and his go forward has improved.
I think the last 'knock on' with the Leeds player under him was a joke, i think his reputation went before him on that, and i think that was mentioned on the commentary.
I would ask the people who weren't impressed with Fielden's performance, would you have swapped him for Ryan Bailey? He played 80 mins at prop and made two impacts on the game, having a stupid haircut and a high shot on Fielden.
This is when Leeds are having a injury crisis and would have been looking at more senior players to step up to the mark in the absence of Peacock, Kylie Leuluai. He was awful, zero presence.
I can forgive a few errors if he puts the hard work in defence, and i remember on one occasion him, forcing the error to win back posession after knocking on.
I'd certainly have him over Bailey, who offered nothing for Leeds.'"
Well said, the hit was where Stu drove his shoulder hard into JJB at waist level and lockers was behind JJB, ball lost, knock on, Wigan scrum.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Yes he made handling errors on Friday but he made 38 tackles with no misses and 98 metres with the ball.
Only O'Loughlin with 40 tackles made more (in either side)
So did Stu really have that bad of a game?'"
No, not as bad as some are making out and he was unlucky with a couple of calls too. However, he does make these errors consistently and really needs to start concentrating on holding the ball better after a drive. He seems to switch off a little too often and nearly always puts the ball down before he's properly regained his feet. More specifically, he is often unbalanced as he is in the act of putting the ball down. This is something he could remedy quite easily but he really needs to do it immediately before it does cost us.
I have to make the comparison with O'Loughlin here, who gets through inordinate amounts of work week in, week out, yet is fantastic in attack and, given the amount of defence he does, relatively error free. Mind you, the man is a machine!
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| Quote: jonh "Yes i think he did, I have been very impressed with him this year but the basic errors he made on Friday were very very poor. His carry was shocking and he lost concentration at the most simple of moments resulting in dropped ball and penalties.
I have been hugely impressed with his form this year but the simplistic nature of the repeated errors on Friday for me outweighed the other stats.
If he were to come up with a performance like that in a major semi final or play off I am sure the result of those errors would have been more costly than it was against a Leeds side who are struggling a little for form at the moment, especially in attack.'"
Take away the errors for a moment, and tell me how the rest of his game was. I personally thought it was excellent, and I expect that's what Maguire and Wane thought to.
I really fail to see how the errors can outweigh the rest of the performance, unless somebody who didn't make the errors but didn't put in the same level of the rest of performance equally had 'a stinker'
Would our coaches be happy with the errors? of course not
Would stu be happy with the errors? probably less happy than anybody else in the world about them
Thankfully I think they're reasonable enough (Maguire was smiling about it on the red button bit), just to work on them during training this week, and not be as ridiculous as a few fans in thinking he should be dropped because of them.
Some people are being very quick to throw around the word 'form' and then suggest a player should be dropped after 1 non optimal (but still overall positive contribution) performance. Form isn't something that's assessed over 1 match, when Maguire said he'd select on form does anybody really think he was meaning 'make a few mistakes in 1 game and you're out?' Ricky Stuart at Cronulla seemingly has the entire team scared witless of making any errors, and it seems to be making the players perform worse not better.
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| He was poor on Friday, but he's been good this season. I don't care if you're a tackling machine, you can't turn the ball over 5 times and have a good game.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "No, not as bad as some are making out and he was unlucky with a couple of calls too. However, he does make these errors consistently and really needs to start concentrating on holding the ball better after a drive. He seems to switch off a little too often and nearly always puts the ball down before he's properly regained his feet. More specifically, he is often unbalanced as he is in the act of putting the ball down. This is something he could remedy quite easily but he really needs to do it immediately before it does cost us.
I have to make the comparison with O'Loughlin here, who gets through inordinate amounts of work week in, week out, yet is fantastic in attack and, given the amount of defence he does, relatively error free. Mind you, the man is a machine!
Statistically he makes less 'errors' than O'Loughlin season by season, and last season gave away less penalties to. Now that's no dig at Sean (who I rate tremendously), just merely a putting into perspective of Stu.
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| Quote: P-J "He was poor on Friday, but he's been good this season. I don't care if you're a tackling machine, you can't turn the ball over 5 times and have a good game.'"
Then you have a funny way at looking at a team sport. You can only be poor if you've not acheived what your coach tasked you with doing - even given the errors I think he probably did that. You might need to not make those amount of errors to have a better than good game, but eitherway how can you possibly slip to 'poor' (unless the word poor means something totally different to the people here saying it than it does to me)..
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| This may not go too well on here but:-
I think Stu Fielden in his four and a half year has been a superb signing for Wigan. His commitment and attitude have been excellent. How many games has he missed?
Forget his salary, that's not he's fault. I really hope he signs an extension (at the right price)
Certainly MM has commented on Fieldens professional attitude.
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "Then you have a funny way at looking at a team sport. You can only be poor if you've not acheived what your coach tasked you with doing - even given the errors I think he probably did that. You might need to not make those amount of errors to have a better than good game, but eitherway how can you possibly slip to 'poor' (unless the word poor means something totally different to the people here saying it than it does to me)..'"
I don't have the stats on me, but I recall him giving Leeds the ball in our half at least three times, and once on the halfway line. That's inexcusable.
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| Quote: P-J "I don't have the stats on me, but I recall him giving Leeds the ball in our half at least three times, and once on the halfway line. That's inexcusable.'"
No it's inexcusable if you do bugger all else to make it right.
When you put in 38 tackles, and bust your ass trying to make up for every mistake you make, what bloody more can a player do?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "This may not go too well on here but
I'm just waiting for some heads to explode
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| I reckon he'll have a stormer on Friday
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "This may not go too well on here but
In the days of the cap i think it is impossible to forget his salary when talking about any players contribution, but i agree that I too hope he signs a contract extension.
I would also expect him to bust his hump to make up for his errors, so i am not surprised by his stats. The nature of his errors and field position in which he made them in my opinion was critical in my assessment of him having a poor game.
Should he be dropped because of 1 poor game, of course not, lets hope it is a lesson learned, I personally feel he was trying too hard and the errors came from that. He also has a lot to thank his team mates for, for their ability to ensure that the errors he made went unpunished.
As someone else has stated I think he will go well on Friday to atone for his errors against Leeds.
I also feel again some people are getting too analytical with the stats, they only tell half a story, you have to use your eyes as well, and quite simply the turnovers he made and the manor in which he made them both technically and in field position for me putting pressure on us told more of a story than his efforts to make up for them.
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| Quote: daveydj17 "can i just say how much stuart fielden has come on this season, i mean its not just a little bit but BIG TIME everyweek he is pushing himself to the max, i am well well impressed, well done stu.
Agreed, Well done Stu, keep it going.
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