Saints were easily the better team at Magic for me. They did what they do best which is suffocate with their defence and play the game almost entirely in our 40. We still could have won with fewer unforced errors (the biggest one being Isa's at the end) but we need to find a way to avoid them winning the territory battle to the extent that they did.

Just ask the referee to enforce the offside rule that should do it.

Yet you managed only a penalty and, that aside, were behind on the scoreboard for almost the entire match. Go figure.

You speak as if territory is the be all an end all when, in fact, it's only one metric among many. You can spend 79 minutes in the opposition half but if you fail to score and the opposition score during the 1 minute in yours, you lose. That doesn't make you the better team. Just the one with the most territorial advantage that you fail to turn into points. See how that works?

Answer me this: You recently beat Huddersfield with 12 men on the pitch. If they spent more time in your half than you did in theirs in that match does that make them the better team on the day?

Firstly I think we are the better team because we are 4 points clear at the top and have won 2 out of 3 games against you this season.

Secondly if you do actually read my posts you will see that a) I have argued against other Saints fans on Redvee not to use injuries as the be all and end all despite us suffering more with injuries and suspensions than at any time in the last 3 years, b) I have admitted on here that Wigan are the form team and would likely start favourites if the Grand Final was next week and c) I can't guarantee that our form will come back. I have admitted (again on here) that we look busted and fatigued.

So how do you infer from that I think that Saints are the "super dooper best team"? What I won't deviate from is that we are the best team at full strength. I do think that 100% and to be honest most of your fans would agree with that too (not you of course undoubtedly)

EDIT- I'm not sure either that I "bang on about territory" I just think we were the better team on the day full stop

Which are biased to say the least.

In my humble opinion Wigan are better than Saints because they have the only trophy in the cupboard that was contested so far this season and had to beat Saints (second best) on the way,would like to point out the likes of Walmsley/Makinson/Percival were on show that day.

now if you win the Hubcap you will be the most consistant team (that is the next trophy on offer )

I'd still say saints have the edge as much as it pains me. We have definitely closed the gap but would still say where not quite there yet as the best side in the league

That's crazy logic. It's like saying Latics were a better side than City as they beat them in the FA cup final.

Beer goggles

If I was forced to say it I would agree only because they have won more games ,but as I would like to point out they did bottle the only game that meant anything and it was against us.
We will see how it pans out.

Were Latics second in the table and a better points difference,We are still in with a shout at the League if we manage that are we not the better team or if we win the GF is it then we become the better team.

When do we become the better team as we have already won 1 cup so far.

History tells us that we are a better team. The only way to judge it is trophy wins and we are miles ahead.