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Quote: Egg Chasing "According to Bilko, 1995 average was 14,368.

Lower than 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.


I loved CP and would love to have been able to improve the ground to modern day standards and not have to move, but the fact is that we had to for multiple reasons, we have done and we have a bloody good stadium in its place.'"


Do Bilko’s stats go back to 1946 to say 1965?
I’d love too see the averages post war and in the early 60’s when we had a great team.
Do you have the link to his site?
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Quote: Egg Chasing "According to Bilko, 1995 average was 14,368.

Lower than 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.


I loved CP and would love to have been able to improve the ground to modern day standards and not have to move, but the fact is that we had to for multiple reasons, we have done and we have a bloody good stadium in its place.'"


Do Bilko’s stats go back to 1946 to say 1965?
I’d love too see the averages post war and in the early 60’s when we had a great team.
Do you have the link to his site?
Cheers

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Well said, I could not have put it any better


Great times which will be never be repeated at the souless Whelans Folly!'"


I think that you may have misinterpreted my post

I’ve got good and bad memories at both grounds
I’ve got more good times at CP than the JJB but when we had bad times at CP they were abysmal truely abysmal.

From 1967 to 1983 we were poor to awful for most seasons winning the occasional Lancashire Cup.
At the JJB we’ve had far more better years than bad. As I said even in our worst year at the JJB it was one of my favourite seasons of all time. A year of great atmosphere and a year when the fans were as one.
As I said previously for me the 1995 team are incomparable but the 2012 performances when we nowt but the hubcap were fantastic but unfortunately we failed in the most important games.

Sport reflects life. You have good and bad times. If you are lucky you have more good than bad. Just accept the good times whenever they land

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Quote: Grimmy "You do realise that, no matter how much you bang on about the good old days with every single post, we still won't have a time machine?'"



Its not about banging on about the old days, but the future of the game as the statisics show that the game is no longer attracting supporters as it was prior to the mid nighties when it attracted many of the top union players from this country and all over the world.

The simple truth is that there are now too many clubs here in the North of England for the declining number of people now watching it and the number of quality top class players in it.

Why do you think that the club has gone into rebranding, when they look at the average attendances between 2015 and 2019.

We are now going into a new season but unlike Football where the clubs are all playing their home games on their own grounds, our game is again having to put up with the nonsense of clubs playing home games on other clubs grounds because Sky Sports do not or will not move their equipment around to all grounds. A decision which could have a further detrimental effect on the attendances when the game returns to normal, especially here in Wigan where if it is anything like last year, our team will be playing all their home games away.

It time that you and the handful of your cronies on this website stopped trying to ridicule other supporters comments and opinions and started to listen to what other supporters have to say!

Its called having respect for others which sadly is no longer taught in schools!

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "You sure can tell who are the new kids on the block who have never experienced the great times of Central Park!

Times that will never be repeated at Whelans Folly!'"


And you can sure tell those stuck in the nostalgic selective memory trip.

By the way, I was a fan when we were at CP. Not that that matters one iota, we could go and say those of us who weren’t fans when we were at Springfield Park - I mean, where you?

You can sure tell.

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Its not about banging on about the old days, but the future of the game as the statisics show that the game is no longer attracting supporters as it was prior to the mid nighties when it attracted many of the top union players from this country and all over the world.'"


So you’re banging on about CP when really you mean the future. Which is it? Our future is at the DW. That’s fact. Our past is at CP. Thats also fact. You can’t rally on about your selective nostalgia trip then try to make out you’re on about the future. You’re gonna have to nail your flag to the mast.


Quote: Ruddy Duck "The simple truth is that there are now too many clubs here in the North of England for the declining number of people now watching it and the number of quality top class players in it.'"


Define top class. There’s an abundance of top class English players. There’s more playing in the NRL now than there has been for decades. There are too many clubs in RL comfortable and have no intention or interest in building better. That’s the real truth.

Quote: Ruddy Duck "Why do you think that the club has gone into rebranding, when they look at the average attendances between 2015 and 2019.'"


To keep up with modern times. Another issue in RL is we harp on about the past so much we actually end up staying there. Times move on. The sport has to keep up.

Quote: Ruddy Duck "We are now going into a new season but unlike Football where the clubs are all playing their home games on their own grounds, our game is again having to put up with the nonsense of clubs playing home games on other clubs grounds because Sky Sports do not or will not move their equipment around to all grounds. A decision which could have a further detrimental effect on the attendances when the game returns to normal, especially here in Wigan where if it is anything like last year, our team will be playing all their home games away.'"


How will how the games being played now have a detrimental effect on crowds when they’re allowed back at their respective grounds? Answer - it won’t.

Quote: Ruddy Duck "It time that you and the handful of your cronies on this website stopped trying to ridicule other supporters comments and opinions and started to listen to what other supporters have to say!

Its called having respect for others which sadly is no longer taught in schools!'"


You’ve hit new scales for irony with this one.

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The replies of course come from the usual handful who have no respect for what other supporters have to say.

A sad reflection of our our society now!

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "The replies of course come from the usual handful who have no respect for what other supporters have to say.

A sad reflection of our our society now!'"


No, the harsh truth is is that you just don’t like anyone disagreeing with what you say or joining you on your selective nostalgic trip. Response disagreeing with what your saying aren’t disrespectful.

No answer to any points against you though?

Ironically despite labelling others “snowflakes”, it turns out you were accurately describing yourself.

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Quote: 100% Warrior "No, the harsh truth is is that you just don’t like anyone disagreeing with what you say or joining you on your selective nostalgic trip. Response disagreeing with what your saying aren’t disrespectful.

No answer to any points against you though?

Ironically despite labelling others “snowflakes”, it turns out you were accurately describing yourself.'"


Never does respond to things asked. Just changes the subject to something else about the Gang of Four or Central Park.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "Never does respond to things asked. Just changes the subject to something else about the Gang of Four or Central Park.'"


Still hasn’t answered the question as to why we had to leave CP either!

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Quote: Egg Chasing "Never does respond to things asked. Just changes the subject to something else about the Gang of Four or Central Park.'"



How about replying to Itcy Arsenal and others instead of being obsessed about anything I say?

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "How about replying to Itcy Arsenal and others instead of being obsessed about anything I say?'"


How about answering questions out to you instead of avoiding them? Or does that mean you’d have to face an inconvenient truth?

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "How about replying to Itcy Arsenal and others instead of being obsessed about anything I say?'"


Itchy Arsenal hasn't posted anything I disagree with yet and pretty much said the same as me.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I had the best and worst of times at CP but I wouldn’t trade from 1985 to 1995 for any other period. The greatest team I suspect we’ve ever had was 1995 by a country mile. There are players in that team who wouldn’t get a game today such as Offiah and Skerrett.

My first full season asa ST holder was 1967 when Boston Ashton and McTigue were well past their best together with pretty much the rest of the squad. I think we came 16th in the league.

What are the average attendances for 2015 to 2019 when we had 3 GF apeearances and a CC final?
I suspect it’s downhill albeit nowhere near as bad as the seasons that preceded the relegation year and the years pre the gang of 4.

I don’t look back through rose tinted glasses but I’d take CP over the JJB everyday of the week even though it included a period of total dross from 1967 to pretty much 1983 when things started to change for the better.
I went for years almost as a “duty” but when the good times finally arrived we had unbelievable success and I saw some of the all time greats play in the cherry and white.

My favourite season at the JJB was when we escaped relegation when all seemed lost. Some great nights when I never knew what to expect. I’d genuinely put some of those nights on a par with the Manly game at CP. Fantastic atmosphere and the fans at times seemed to drag the team to victory'"


IA.
If you go to Bilkos site wigan.rlfans.com/readarticle.php?article_id=2560 you can see on the top right a link to "view previous seasons"
From that you can go to the various seasons and the individual attendances are shown. From those pages you can skip forward or back from "targets" near the top of the page.
You'd have to work out the average from those, however I've already done it.

2015 - 13,362
2016 - 13,499
2017 - 13,648
2018 - 11,528
2019 - 11,700
2020 - 12,222
Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I had the best and worst of times at CP but I wouldn’t trade from 1985 to 1995 for any other period. The greatest team I suspect we’ve ever had was 1995 by a country mile. There are players in that team who wouldn’t get a game today such as Offiah and Skerrett.

My first full season asa ST holder was 1967 when Boston Ashton and McTigue were well past their best together with pretty much the rest of the squad. I think we came 16th in the league.

What are the average attendances for 2015 to 2019 when we had 3 GF apeearances and a CC final?
I suspect it’s downhill albeit nowhere near as bad as the seasons that preceded the relegation year and the years pre the gang of 4.

I don’t look back through rose tinted glasses but I’d take CP over the JJB everyday of the week even though it included a period of total dross from 1967 to pretty much 1983 when things started to change for the better.
I went for years almost as a “duty” but when the good times finally arrived we had unbelievable success and I saw some of the all time greats play in the cherry and white.

My favourite season at the JJB was when we escaped relegation when all seemed lost. Some great nights when I never knew what to expect. I’d genuinely put some of those nights on a par with the Manly game at CP. Fantastic atmosphere and the fans at times seemed to drag the team to victory'"


IA.
If you go to Bilkos site wigan.rlfans.com/readarticle.php?article_id=2560 you can see on the top right a link to "view previous seasons"
From that you can go to the various seasons and the individual attendances are shown. From those pages you can skip forward or back from "targets" near the top of the page.
You'd have to work out the average from those, however I've already done it.

2015 - 13,362
2016 - 13,499
2017 - 13,648
2018 - 11,528
2019 - 11,700
2020 - 12,222


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Crowds fell off a cliff around that time because of the changes to the format and I know IL was dead against the top 8s structure.

The constant changing of the rules does nothing to keep fans engaged. The regular season games become more and more worthless the more sides can qualify for the playoffs and the easier it is to finish lower down the table and win the big prize.

We need to stick to a system (top 5 from 12 for me) for several seasons rather tham changing every 2 or 3 years when the tv deal changes.

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