Please tell me what exactly your going on about Cruncher? More to the point tell me why your even replying to my earlier post when it was offering proof to somebody else that Noble does drop players. Do you not agree he does drop players?

Your going on about the same old performance thing again and league standings etc. etc. when im just trying to put a stop to all this nonsense that he wont drop players not play youngsters etc.etc.

Wether you think the overall performance thing is acceptable or not is up to you as that is your opinion but when people post completely incorrect statements such as 'he wont drop players' then that is no longer opinion but a complete non-truth.

I can only assume by the way you jumped in 'head first' (yet again) and tried to hammer me for something i have not done, that your maybe a few buttys short of a picnic

Switching players around isn't dropping them. In fact it is typical Noble over his three years to switch established first team players around rather than bring in a direct replacement position-wise from the reserves. Have you forgotten how Colbon played as a winger, full back, centre and forward in his last season with us?

Mather's got suspended and as a result we had a switch around and IIRC that is when Ainscough made his appearance.



I don't recall that but I do recall him getting dropped after a MoM performance and the following week we looked rubbish without him and lost to HKR. He tried to drop Ainscough and could not due to injuries, Ainscough then went on to score four tries in the game and got dropped right after.

Now if you can't see what has gone here you must be blind because its obvious he has decided to drop these players at the time he did regardless of how they were playing (duty of care being the excuse) BUT he will not drop certain players even if they are playing poorly. He just does not pick or drop on form and this is the big issue surrounding this aspect of his coaching. He has his first 17 and sticks too it slavishly regardless of form.



Where is it written you must go into every game with four props? He dropped Coley for one game and it seemed to work. He had opportunities to drop any of the other props before O'Carroll got injured but didn't.



I think you will find despite our production line we are a bout half way down the pecking order for players being given debuts. Phil Clarke did an auricle on Sky Sports with stats about how many debuts were being given by the clubs and we were nothing special despite the number we produce.



It needs a couple of signings but it also needs better coaching. The fact the ream looks out of condition, makes the same basic errors and plays great one week and poor the next points to coaching issues not issues.

The idea that our lack of improvement is soley down to Noble is wrong IMO. There are a number of factors and IL speaks about them at the Fans Forums. I've mentioned a couple above.
I'd be happy for Noble to stay but he's off.
Won't the media have a lot to say if we win the GF and Noble departs.'"

It was impossible for us to lose half of our games but if we had lost one more the ratio of losses to wins would be 13:14 which is as near to half as we could get.

The idea that he has no responsibility for the lack of improvement is also wrong. The buck stops with him. He is the one who sticks with out of form senior players and drops in-form juniors as quick as he can being a good example of his contribution.

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Why are you trying to argue about something ive not mentioned?

Do you have any input into the earlier discussion regarding Noble dropping players or not?

Don't take it personally Cruncher, the pro-Nobleites have also failed to respond to points I and other people have raised - e.g. fitness levels, preparation and how the Cup fits into Noble's alleged end of season strategy. Lots of pretty unpleasant things have been said about those of us who simply dare to question whether Noble is the right man to take the club to the next level....

Not as I remember. I've been drawn into it a little since, but have only ever said that his unwillingness to drop players does not worry me much.

I'm trying to explain why I think Noble should be replaced - correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the main jist of this thread. And thus far, none of those who want to keep Noble seem willing or able to respond to any of my concerns - which doesn't convince me that they have a great argument (regardless of whether or not I agree with them about his unwillingness to drop players).

Cruncher

I'm not one for doing polls etc on here (Lists are more my thing! ) but I would bet if there was one and there were the :- options

1/ Noble was terrible did nothing right should have been sacked ages ago he should be strung up for holding back Wigan and has doen nothing positive

2/ Noble was terrible but let him see out his contract and then move on

3/ Noble has done a good job, but its time to move on irrespetive of whether we win GF or not

4/ Noble has been brill and should get a new contract irrespective of whether we win GF or not

NUMBER 3 would win hands down when it comes to those that are labelled as "Pro Noble"!
Whereas the Anti Noble group seem to want to do the 1st option and use a lot of Opinion dressed up as fact to try and justify it.
I just can't see why certain Anti Noble fans (And I don't label you in this as I think you are pretty fair when it comes to Noble) can't or dont want to give Noble just a Hint of credit for anything and want to make a big Shock "Sack Him" statement as we havent won anything.