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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"The lack of player development IS down to the RFL and Super League Club Chairmen.'"
Of course it is, who else's fault could it be? |
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| Quote Deano G="Deano G"
The CC exacerbates these problems. It encourages the hiring of second/third rate southern hemisphere players.'"
Relegation worries have been a far bigger factor, especially sicne the advent of SL and the growing gap between the top level and those below.
Quote Deano GI'd like to see a small number of top quality overseas players in the SDL. That way we have star players our youngsters can be inspired by and fans will flock to see. '"
As would most RL fans.
Quote Deano GIf you're telling me that the likes of Bell, Tuigamala, Meninga, the Iros, the Pauls (remember when the best Kiwis were here not in the NRL with its lower SC, where they can still make more money!), Nikau, Kenny, Sorensen etc did not benefit our game then I'm afraid we will have to disagree.'"
Quite apart from the fact that Meninga is an Aussie, the introduction of a NZ team into the NRL has also stemmed the flow of quality NZers into the game over here, rather than it beong solely down to a cap being introduced.
Another other factor that has affected the quality of recruits coming over here is the change in the timing of the season, which has also stopped some of ours going over there for spells. |
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Maurice Lyndsey states about the salary cap ' Do they want Jason Robinson to go to union, do they want Morley to go to Australia because the salary cap will drive players away and drag us back to part time rugby league'.
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| Quote post="post"Maurice Lyndsey states about the salary cap ' Do they want Jason Robinson to go to union, do they want Morley to go to Australia because the salary cap will drive players away and drag us back to part time rugby league'.'"
Pretty much spot on wasn't he?
This is the thing about the CC. If supporters want a "level playing field" why don't they go and watch Amateur RL and leave the professional game to the big boys who live in the real world? |
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| Quote roader="roader"www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/rugby-league/huge-salaries-to-start-wage-spiral-713697.html
Blame Maurice.'"
Cap of £700,000?!?! FFS thats pathetic.....surely that wasnt right....its even more riddiculous than now!  I thought it had been 1.6m for the whole time its been in.
I do agree with part of the salary cap idea to keep teams from going bust, but it should be 50% of turnover, which would encourage the game to grow, and mean that teams like salford, london, wakefield etc. would have to shape up or ship out...at the moment rugby league is being held back by teams like this who lack effort and ambition to ever move beyond our status of a part time sport! |
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"The lack of player development IS down to the RFL and Super League Club Chairmen.
When SL started 1996 there were well over 300 British Players in SL. Two years ago that numbers had been halved. There has now been the slightest of increases.
That decline is following the introduction of the Salary cap restrictions, the scholarship restrictions, 20/20 rule restrictions (now abolished) and service area restrictions.
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I reckon the decline is probably more to do with you making things up.
In 1996 there were 12 teams in Super League including Paris whom were basically all non-british. So for 300 British plyers in SL that would mean that each club had approx 27 British players each. To do this you would be counting probably a squad of 32 players for each team. If you did the same now in Super League I bet you'd come up with 300 British players.
Mind you don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant. |
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Ask the RFL for the figures then.
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"Meninga is an Aussie.'"
At last! You're right about something! Congratulations! I should have put the parenthesis somewhere else. Fantastic, well done.
Instead of picking out typos, it would have been better if you'd answered the question about top Kiwis playing here rather than the NRL. According to the pro-CC propagandists on this board the CC is tighter over there than here meaning that all the top Kiwis should be here. They aren't, because of course the CC works very differently in Australia where top players can make lots of money from their media profiles, not that this stops the pro-CC propagandists from making misleading comparisons with the Australian system.... though actually what evidence there is is actually against the cap working over there in any case...
[urlhttp://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/25/1030053009801.html[/url |
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"Ask the RFL for the figures then.'"
Why when it was you that was quoting them to support your argument.
What I have done is quickly checked through the RL Stas section of this site and see that comparing 12 teams (discounting Celtic and Catalans to provide a like for like 12 teams against 12 teams comparison) you have an average of 20 British players in a average squad of 27 players. This is nigh on three quarters of all players being British.
Obviously this cannot be compared to your figure of 300 as that allowing for no-imports would give an average squad of 30 players which I'm sure you'll agree is just Fantasy Island type stats. Where did you get these figures from? Are you sure you haven't made them up?
I have just checked the figures from 2000 and the total number of British players is un-changed to the figure this season whilst as a percentage of the toral the number of British is higher now than in 2000.
Based on your figures then Father Ted (are you sure that you're not Dougal using Ted's user name?) between 1996 and 2000 the number of British players halfed!!!!!!!! That would be akin to rugby league's version of the effect of the potato famine on Ireland which I'm sure yourself as Father Ted is well aware of. |
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A typo? What was it you meant to spell?
Quote Deano Git would have been better if you'd answered the question about top Kiwis playing here rather than the NRL.'"
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Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"A typo? What was it you meant to spell? '"
I said typo, not mispelling. Try looking up the meaning of typography on www.dictionary.com. I put the parentheses (the words in brackets) in the wrong place. That is a typographical error.
Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"Did you stop reading my reply at that point?'"
Oh dear. If you're referring to the point you made about the NZ Warriors, then yes, its had some effect, playing for that team will have an attraction. But if you're suggesting that this is the reason why top Kiwi players aren't interested in SDL then really that is a totally insufficient answer. To be honest I'm surprised you came back on this point.
Here is the NZ World Cup squad (source - [urlhttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10536251[/url) which shows how attractive the NRL is despite the allegedly lower money on offer there compared with the SDL under the CC:
Nathan Cayless (Parramatta, captain), Adam Blair (Melbourne), Greg Eastwood (Brisbane), David Fa'alogo (South Sydney), Nathan Fien (New Zealand Warriors), Dene Halatau (Wests Tigers), Lance Hohaia (NZ Warriors), Krisnan Inu (Parramatta), David Kidwell (South Sydney), Thomas Leuluai (Wigan), Jeff Lima (Melbourne), Issac Luke (South Sydney), Simon Mannering (NZ Warriors), Sika Manu (Melbourne), Benji Marshall (Wests Tigers), Steve Matai (Manly), Sam Perrett (Sydney Roosters), Sam Rapira (NZ Warriors), Jerome Ropati (NZ Warriors), Setaimata Sa (Sydney Roosters), Jeremy Smith(Melbourne), Iosia Soliola (Sydney Roosters), Manu Vatuvei (NZ Warriors), Brent Webb (Leeds).
The conclusion that could be drawn from all this is that the SDL is unattractive not just financially but also because of the mediocre standard of rugby being played in the Sooper Dooper League. Many comments were made in the media by Aussies and Kiwis during and after the last world cup to the effect that we had lost our way in the UK (Stuart being the most famous example, he's on record as saying we've gone backwards in the last 8-10 years). (They're right, of course. The SDL has gone backwards. The structures in the UK, including the CC (its not the sole cause but is a key factor) need radical change. That won't happen as long as the RL establishment and the blinkered fans of certain clubs refuse to contemplate a change to the status quo.)
That's why I'm surprised that you raised this point again, its a strange thing to do for a CC supporter who thinks all is rosy in the Sooper Dooper garden... |
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Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"A typo? What was it you meant to spell? '"
I said typo, not mispelling. Try looking up the meaning of typography on www.dictionary.com. I put the parentheses (the words in brackets) in the wrong place. That is a typographical error.
Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"Did you stop reading my reply at that point?'"
Oh dear. If you're referring to the point you made about the NZ Warriors, then yes, its had some effect, playing for that team will have an attraction. But if you're suggesting that this is the reason why top Kiwi players aren't interested in SDL then really that is a totally insufficient answer. To be honest I'm surprised you came back on this point.
Here is the NZ World Cup squad (source - [urlhttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10536251[/url) which shows how attractive the NRL is despite the allegedly lower money on offer there compared with the SDL under the CC:
Nathan Cayless (Parramatta, captain), Adam Blair (Melbourne), Greg Eastwood (Brisbane), David Fa'alogo (South Sydney), Nathan Fien (New Zealand Warriors), Dene Halatau (Wests Tigers), Lance Hohaia (NZ Warriors), Krisnan Inu (Parramatta), David Kidwell (South Sydney), Thomas Leuluai (Wigan), Jeff Lima (Melbourne), Issac Luke (South Sydney), Simon Mannering (NZ Warriors), Sika Manu (Melbourne), Benji Marshall (Wests Tigers), Steve Matai (Manly), Sam Perrett (Sydney Roosters), Sam Rapira (NZ Warriors), Jerome Ropati (NZ Warriors), Setaimata Sa (Sydney Roosters), Jeremy Smith(Melbourne), Iosia Soliola (Sydney Roosters), Manu Vatuvei (NZ Warriors), Brent Webb (Leeds).
The conclusion that could be drawn from all this is that the SDL is unattractive not just financially but also because of the mediocre standard of rugby being played in the Sooper Dooper League. Many comments were made in the media by Aussies and Kiwis during and after the last world cup to the effect that we had lost our way in the UK (Stuart being the most famous example, he's on record as saying we've gone backwards in the last 8-10 years). (They're right, of course. The SDL has gone backwards. The structures in the UK, including the CC (its not the sole cause but is a key factor) need radical change. That won't happen as long as the RL establishment and the blinkered fans of certain clubs refuse to contemplate a change to the status quo.)
That's why I'm surprised that you raised this point again, its a strange thing to do for a CC supporter who thinks all is rosy in the Sooper Dooper garden... | |
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