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I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now. [quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point. Thick as pig swill.[/quote]:2595.jpg



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The CC exacerbates these problems. It encourages the hiring of second/third rate southern hemisphere players.'"


Relegation worries have been a far bigger factor, especially sicne the advent of SL and the growing gap between the top level and those below.

Quote: Deano G "I'd like to see a small number of top quality overseas players in the SDL. That way we have star players our youngsters can be inspired by and fans will flock to see. '"


As would most RL fans.

Quote: Deano G "If you're telling me that the likes of Bell, Tuigamala, Meninga, the Iros, the Pauls (remember when the best Kiwis were here not in the NRL with its lower SC, where they can still make more money!), Nikau, Kenny, Sorensen etc did not benefit our game then I'm afraid we will have to disagree.'"


Quite apart from the fact that Meninga is an Aussie, the introduction of a NZ team into the NRL has also stemmed the flow of quality NZers into the game over here, rather than it beong solely down to a cap being introduced.

Another other factor that has affected the quality of recruits coming over here is the change in the timing of the season, which has also stopped some of ours going over there for spells.

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



Maurice Lyndsey states about the salary cap ' Do they want Jason Robinson to go to union, do they want Morley to go to Australia because the salary cap will drive players away and drag us back to part time rugby league'.

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The Communist Cap - dragging down success and aspiration to the levels of those who cba.:



Quote: post "Maurice Lyndsey states about the salary cap ' Do they want Jason Robinson to go to union, do they want Morley to go to Australia because the salary cap will drive players away and drag us back to part time rugby league'.'"


Pretty much spot on wasn't he?


This is the thing about the CC. If supporters want a "level playing field" why don't they go and watch Amateur RL and leave the professional game to the big boys who live in the real world?

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Quote: roader "www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/rugby-league/huge-salaries-to-start-wage-spiral-713697.html

Blame Maurice.'"


Cap of £700,000?!?! FFS thats pathetic.....surely that wasnt right....its even more riddiculous than now! icon_eek.gif I thought it had been 1.6m for the whole time its been in.

I do agree with part of the salary cap idea to keep teams from going bust, but it should be 50% of turnover, which would encourage the game to grow, and mean that teams like salford, london, wakefield etc. would have to shape up or ship out...at the moment rugby league is being held back by teams like this who lack effort and ambition to ever move beyond our status of a part time sport!

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Quote: Father Ted "The lack of player development IS down to the RFL and Super League Club Chairmen.
When SL started 1996 there were well over 300 British Players in SL. Two years ago that numbers had been halved. There has now been the slightest of increases.
That decline is following the introduction of the Salary cap restrictions, the scholarship restrictions, 20/20 rule restrictions (now abolished) and service area restrictions.
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I reckon the decline is probably more to do with you making things up.

In 1996 there were 12 teams in Super League including Paris whom were basically all non-british. So for 300 British plyers in SL that would mean that each club had approx 27 British players each. To do this you would be counting probably a squad of 32 players for each team. If you did the same now in Super League I bet you'd come up with 300 British players.

Mind you don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant.

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Ask the RFL for the figures then.

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



Quote: Billinge_Lump "Meninga is an Aussie.'"


At last! You're right about something! Congratulations! I should have put the parenthesis somewhere else. Fantastic, well done.

Instead of picking out typos, it would have been better if you'd answered the question about top Kiwis playing here rather than the NRL. According to the pro-CC propagandists on this board the CC is tighter over there than here meaning that all the top Kiwis should be here. They aren't, because of course the CC works very differently in Australia where top players can make lots of money from their media profiles, not that this stops the pro-CC propagandists from making misleading comparisons with the Australian system.... though actually what evidence there is is actually against the cap working over there in any case...

rlhttps://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/25/1030053009801.htmlrl

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Quote: Father Ted "Ask the RFL for the figures then.'"


Why when it was you that was quoting them to support your argument.

What I have done is quickly checked through the RL Stas section of this site and see that comparing 12 teams (discounting Celtic and Catalans to provide a like for like 12 teams against 12 teams comparison) you have an average of 20 British players in a average squad of 27 players. This is nigh on three quarters of all players being British.

Obviously this cannot be compared to your figure of 300 as that allowing for no-imports would give an average squad of 30 players which I'm sure you'll agree is just Fantasy Island type stats. Where did you get these figures from? Are you sure you haven't made them up?

I have just checked the figures from 2000 and the total number of British players is un-changed to the figure this season whilst as a percentage of the toral the number of British is higher now than in 2000.

Based on your figures then Father Ted (are you sure that you're not Dougal using Ted's user name?) between 1996 and 2000 the number of British players halfed!!!!!!!! That would be akin to rugby league's version of the effect of the potato famine on Ireland which I'm sure yourself as Father Ted is well aware of.

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Instead of picking out typos, '"


A typo? What was it you meant to spell?


Quote: Deano G "it would have been better if you'd answered the question about top Kiwis playing here rather than the NRL.'"


Did you stop reading my reply at that point?

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



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