You make a good point - maybe thats simply the way to win in the modern game.

well summed up..

Get rid of that Tomkins kid, he's a bad influence.

That's the point, the game hasn't produced Tomkins, Sam's pure born talent has ensured he has come through. How much the system has improved him is open to question.

He is going nowhere, Sydney enquired and he told them straight out he wasn't interested.

Hence Australia must be a cocaine free land!

Not cocaine free but most of the stuff over there is absolute rubbish & costs a fortune compared to over here so maybe the contract offer wasn't quite lucrative enough when he factored in the increase in cost of living

Maybe the Roosters were after Hock as back up if the SBW deal falls through.
SBW hasn't signed a contract to join them, yet!

SBW has been a Roosters players months, potentially years.

Quote: Father Ted "Maybe the Roosters were after Hock as back up if the SBW deal falls through. SBW hasn't signed a contract to join them, yet!'" Taken from todays Sydney Morning Herald. Interim NRL chief executive Shane Mattiske says he needs to see a contract in his hands before determining whether or not Sonny Bill Williams will be cleared for a return to the game. Speculation mounted on the weekend that the NRL are considering blocking Williams' widely-discussed return to rugby league with the Sydney Roosters due to the fact the dual international is managed by non-accredited player agent Khoder Nasser. Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2Afnmin9g

Quote: Father Ted "Maybe the Roosters were after Hock as back up if the SBW deal falls through. SBW hasn't signed a contract to join them, yet!'" Taken from todays Sydney Morning Herald. Interim NRL chief executive Shane Mattiske says he needs to see a contract in his hands before determining whether or not Sonny Bill Williams will be cleared for a return to the game. Speculation mounted on the weekend that the NRL are considering blocking Williams' widely-discussed return to rugby league with the Sydney Roosters due to the fact the dual international is managed by non-accredited player agent Khoder Nasser. Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2Afnmin9g

I'd quite like to see Hock go to the NRL, he'd be a hit there.

I do wish he'd curb the brain farts a bit if he's going to be playing for England in the World Cup, but he can be one of our better strike weapons.

The minor 'incident' with Kear on Saturday was brilliant. On the replays you could see Kear push him, then think "oh s**t, wtf did I just do" then you get about 5 seconds where there are very clearly 2 voices arguing inside Hock's head. Nobody was more relieved then Elliot Kear when that debate at least took long enough for the big fella to be restrained...

There are plenty of players who have got the public talking and put bums on seats who have never had Hock's tendency to lose it. You seem to be implying the flaw in his game which is basically his tendency to be a bit hot headed at times (and I don't just mean spoiling for a fight) is some how a prerequisite for a player in order for him to be capable of pulling off some game changing plays. If so then this isn't true. Players like Ellery Hanley, Andy Farrell and Trent Barrett to mention just three prove this to be so. There are plenty of other great players who have graced the game who managed to be great without being a maverick in the way that term is being used to describe Hock. It is what made them great rather than merely very good.

Yeah, nobody wants to see a fight at a RL game...

Seems all are hearing these rumours, apart from wigan fans...