Absolutely amazed at the sheer arrogance on this thread coming from a side with one good season under their belt.

Saints are a 'barge only' side, 'pi55 poor in the backs' and if you stop Cunningham the game is done with ! Absolutely incredible from a side that have finished only 4 points higher than us and lost at home against us despite the documented problems Saints have suffered this season. This is our 5th Grand Final in a row, we were 8 minutes from Wembley again and have beaten you already this year. Indeed the win at Knowsley Road from Wigan saw you defend with utter desperation for the second half despite the most ill disciplined Saints performance in years. To suggest that this quality of side is so easily beaten is folly. Beating Saints at Old Trafford will require the best performance of the season from Wigan and I would be surprised if your pack can gain any kind of field position at all to do so this Saturday.

Reality check needed for you men. Wigan have finished top solely because of the problems that both Leeds and us have suffered this season. Saints pack is far, far stronger than Wigans and Saints' backs are more than capable of stopping the greats in your backline such as Goulding and George Carmont. I think it'll be a hell of a game with Wigan defending for much of it. Couple of scores in it for me but for Wigan to win will require Saints to drop their level from the their 2 Play Off wins. Real good side Wigan are and they will be a stern challenge at Old Trafford through their professionalism. I am quietly pleased that the derby is on centre stage as well. However I am confident as a Saints supporter that we will come out on top in a tight affair.

Good grief, don't be so bloody soft.

Saints may have been to lots of finals, but by the sound of your post, you haven't.

What do you expect Wigan fans to do, sit around bemoaning the inevitability of defeat at the hands of their Cup Final opponents?

Lighten up and take it in the proper spirit.

PS: If Mick Potter adopts your approach and assumes that Wigan are only in the final because more deserving teams like Saints and Leeds had an off-season, then you'll lose.

We finished top because of Saints and Leeds problems? What a load of bitter drivvel! Have a look at the league table from the last four years. We've topped the table with more points than Saints or Leeds did in previous years and our points difference is streets ahead of any of the previous bests. Take your blinkers off, Wigan have raised the bar this year and Saints and Leeds havn't been able to match it.

As for the final, its 50/50 as all finals should be!

You play like you did against Huddersfield and we like play we did against Leeds and you can kiss that trophy goodbye.

Do you really believe that you will get the field position you had at Leeds against Saints' pack ? No chance.

You defended desperately against a Leeds side missing their best back and best forward. You still required what were very fortunate tries to win the contest. Well done. However I think Wigan are up against it with size of Saints forwards. If we kick well, Wigan will be looking at scoring from their own 20 metre zone for 80 minutes, which is a tough ask.

If you think that you only have to stop the cunningham to win on saturday you are deluded.I would worry about how coley and fielden are going to cope against the power and size of graham puletua and soliola.
Remember you might have beaten the defending champions last week ,but they were without 4 of their key players ,3 of them being their best prop forwards.If wigan were depleated like that they would struggtle to cope .You have been relatively injury free compared to leeds and saints this season and its shown in the table at the end of the year.Heres for hoping for a classic to be decided by the King at the death.

Yes field position is important, but the difference is that Saints need it otherwise they are very unlikely to score. We have a lot better chance of scoring from our own half than Saints. Withough Pryce and Eastmond you look a very slow team.

But two of those are 2nd rowers. In which case we would have Fielden, Coley, Hansen, Tomkins and Lockers who are all quality defenders.

Stopping you getting easy metres is the key, but our defence has conceded over 100 less points than you this year, so its one of our strengths.

We heard this sort of excuse-making quite a lot early season, when Wigan first took pole position. I wondered which brazen idiot would be thick enough to keep using the same unconvincing excuse seven months down line. Thanks for answering the question.

If you think KFC and your forwards are just going to slap their tits into our lads faces and barge over our line you can forget it Whats the difference between desperate defence and normal defence? I thought defence is just stop the oppo scoring at all costs full stop?

I just read the first few replies quite incredulous, how you can say their players in ANY position are p1ss poor is beyond me. This kind of attitude will get us nowhere. They're backs may be the weak link as shown in the Hudds game in parts.

Let's be honest though, as "poor" as these players are supposed to be, they have experience playing at OT effectively year in year out. This is invaluable going into such a big game.

That being said if we shut Cunningham down I think with Eastmond seemingly not fully fit we should be able to get a roll on their forwards. We need to go with 4 props and try and run through them early on to put pressure on Matty Smith to produce something when playing behind a fairly unfamiliar pack and more importantly one that's being beaten.

We've have shown we're not invincible against Leeds at home even with their injuries, so let's not start off on the basis of their players being p1ss poor.

What are these documented problems and how are they different to any problems which Wigan have had over the season?

Having their 4 first choice half backs out throughout the playoffs is probably one of the main ones.

You must be a hard man with a name like cruncher.A hard man with not much grey matter.If you think that injuries havent played a big part in leeds and saints being behind you in the table it is you thats the idiot .Saints finished all of 4 points behind you and did remarkably well in doing so with so many key player out for so long.You had amos roberts out for a long spell and a few of your fringe players,but your key players in the main have been luckily injury free.

I think we've had our fair share of problems as well. Our first choice full back at the start of the year was Phelps, he got injured so we shuffled Roberts to full back. He was in unbelieveable form then he got injured so we moved Sam from the halves and had a new half back combo with LuLu and Deacs. Deacs was injured for a fair bit of the season so we moved Lockers to SO. We have shuffled our team about quite a bit through the season with very little fuss.