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| Quote Steve Ella's Beard="Steve Ella's Beard"tbh i normally don't have an issue with your posts, but I think you're being massively over critical here.
For the first 60 minutes, Wigan's display defensively was very good. After that some errors started to come in (when prior to this the main errors had been knock ons etc - i.e. lack of composure in attack). Even with the errors in the last 20 minutes, it would have been a tough task for Leeds to put 40 past us, let alone Hudds, KR, Cats, Wakey, Saints and the performances they put in this weekend (see it's not just us is it?).
The only team so far that actually looked decent overall (i.e. Attack and Defence) is Leeds.
Cas defensively did very well to (their coach quoted it as their best defensive performance this season), and again I can't see many would have put 40 past them tonight.
For me it was a game defined by both teams defences playing well, and their attacks lacking concentration (e.g. the bad play the balls, and knock ons) or forcing the pass too much instead of just maintaining pressure.
Yes we're really going to have to step up our game, but so to are KR, Cats and Hudds, even Saints are going to have to be far better in attack to pose a real treat to Leeds.'"
Maybe im being abit over critical but i genuinely believe we should have walked that one. Cas were there for the taking and we didnt captialise. We could have used that match to send a serious message to the rest of teams left in the playoffs but for me it sent the message out that we were no real threat and probably the weakest team left in the competition. I suppose bar the Leeds game its just been a frustrating season, week in week out leaving the stadium disappointed with what was on show.
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| Quote cadoo="cadoo"Cameron Phelps 6 - Thought he made some good runs but dropped the high kick and had a brain fart trying to offload the ball in our own half. Not his best display.
Amos Roberts 8 - Excellent performance. Castleford tested him numerous times and he stood up and was counted. Made some great runs and took his try well. Looked dangerous in open space.
Martin Gleeson 7 - Solid performance. Excellent in defence and was making some good runs forward. Needs to strike up a bit more of a partnership with Roberts but a good all round display.
George Carmont 9 - Was always a threat. Great in attack and defence. My MOTM.
Pat Richards 7 - Solid display. Much improved from Huddersfield. Better goalkicking and some fantastic drop outs. Helped out the forwards many times as well.
Sam Tomkins 6 - Was on one leg for most of the game. Had a good kicking game but didn't put himself about as much as you might expect however he isn't fully fit, evidently.
Thomas Leuluai 6 - Made some decent runs from dummy half and put some decent shots in. However again didn't put himself about as much as you would like.
Andy Coley - 5 Made some terrible mistakes numerous times. POTB was awful. Some decent drives but not as good as he has been. Let himself down tonight - hope he bounces back.
Mike McIlorum - 6 Made some good runs and looked good at times. Needs to watch his discipline. Improved from last week hope this continues.
Paul Prescott 7 apart from one silly error he had a good game. Took the ball up strong and stood up in defence. Solid performance.
Joel Tomkins 6 - Should have come back on the inside with that break. Didn't have a massive impact on the match.
Harrison Hansen 7 - Was there for the try but should have had another early into the match. Solid performance.
Sean O'loughlin 8 - Was inventive and looked a threat. Great thinking with the little kicks during the match. Solid in defence as you would expect and linked up well in attack. A good captains performance.
Stuart Fielden 7 - Made his usual one silly error but apart from that he took the ball up well. Looked up for the game right from the start. A good display.
Mark Riddell 6 - Going through a rough patch at the moment. Didn't impose himself on the game enough and didnt control the ruck. Tough couple of weeks for Riddell so will give him the BOTD. Hope he improves next week.
Feka Paleaasina 6 - Took the ball up well on numerous occasions in true Feka style. But still exposed in defence.
Mark Flanagan 6 - Did nothing wrong and did his share in defence.'"
If Coley got a 5, what does he have to do to get 4,3,2,or 1?
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| Quote Mother Feka="Mother Feka"Maybe im being abit over critical but i genuinely believe we should have walked that one. Cas were there for the taking and we didnt captialise. We could have used that match to send a serious message to the rest of teams left in the playoffs but for me it sent the message out that we were no real threat and probably the weakest team left in the competition. I suppose bar the Leeds game its just been a frustrating season, week in week out leaving the stadium disappointed with what was on show.'"
I do agree with you that if we'd played like we're capable of playing, e.g. the home game against Leeds, then yes we would have done far far better than we did tonight.
My own personal feeling is that we're definitely not the weakest team left in the playoffs, either from this weekends performances, or from what all the teams are capable of producing if they play to their best.
Sadly though, I still can't see a real threat to Leeds if they play to their potential.
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| Quote TheSurgeon="TheSurgeon"If Coley got a 5, what does he have to do to get 4,3,2,or 1?'"
Be Mathers/Pryce/Roberts/Riddell....
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Lockers/Phelps
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| Tonight both teams were good defensively and both made a catalogue of errors (largely silly ones) when in attack. We manged to win because when Fielden, Feka and Riddell came on in the first half the two props managed to make headway (which hadn't been happening previously) whilst the team were more composed when attacking. We only used basic rugby but that was all that was needed as the team that cut out the errors would win. The errors crept back in in the final quarter resulting in a nervy finish. All in all the performance wasn't fantastic but it was better than against Huddersfield and we did enough to win. We will need to step up next week but we are more than capable of doing so.
Man of the Match for me would probably be Feka for the positive effect he had on the team's attacking and the momentum of the match. Phelps, Carmont, Hansen, Fielden and Richards were all solid too.
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| Quote wiganermike="wiganermike"Man of the Match for me would probably be Feka'"
The amount of times he's caught flat-footed in the defensive line is beyond a joke - every coach in Super League is onto it now. What game can you possibly be watching to give a player like this MOTM?!
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| As I said in my post we as a team were not great but did the basics for a spell that gave us enough points to hold on to win. We were going nowhere in attack until he came on along with Fielden. With those two we finally managed to hit the Cas defensive line at more than a standing start. He along with Fielden caused the momentum of the game to shift (we were getting hammered territorially and only silly errors had stopped Cas from leading at that point). Without the impact from Feka & Fielden we would have lost. Therefore I consider those two to be pivotal to the win (coupled with our defence). Feka was the better of the two in my opinion due to not making errors in possession. That is why I would give it to him.
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| Quote wiganermike="wiganermike"Without the impact from Feka & Fielden we would have lost.'"
Bizarre. he made no more impact than Prescott tonight and at the point the game looked a little nervy was walked round a couple of times leaving others to cover in defence. Whilst I don't like to denigrate what is just an opinion, far too much clout for me is given by happy clappy fans to players who barge the ball in 4/5 times to great fanfare whilst letting the rest of the team sort out the defence/attack and ultimately the result.
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Prescott was his usual self doing neither an exceptional level in either attack or defence but solidly doing a bit of both. He is a sort of under the radar player who builds the platform for the team without being noticed (IMO). We were flat going forward prior to the prop interchanges and lost impetus when the starting pair were back on. I have been critical of Feka before on a number of occasions as he is a luxury player as you need someone to cover his poor defence so that he can be effective in attack (and this diminshes the attacking power of the man covering his defensive frailties). I too have mentioned how people are misled by a few barging runs and ignore that he causes others to have to defend more etc. However tonight we were not particularly under threat from the Cas attack so his defence was not the weakness it would normally prove to be and his impact was important in getting us on the front foot (seemed to me to help morale as well) from being under the cosh. One swallow does not make a summer though and I am not nominating him for MOS. I just think he did an important job tonight. You don't agree with me, it may be that nobody agrees with me but lets not take over the thread debating the rights and wrongs of my opinion.
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| Feka  Behave, total liability.
1 - Gleeson
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| Roberts was my MOM, thought he was absolutely outstanding tonight, arguably his best game attacking-wise.
O'Loughlin had another great game, as did carmont and pat.
Apart from that, thought everyone was extremely average. Phelps was great going forwards but had a poor game defensively, and for those saying that if mathers had made those mistakes people would be after his head, mathers has never made the metres phelps does, nor the amount of try assists or attacking influence he brings.
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