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| Quote: Phuzzy "But you are and I'm sure you know it. This very post is the latest example. I've asked you to comment on Hopoate as fullback now as opposed to in the past which (once again) you've chosen to ignore whilst simultaneously focussing on one word "never" taken out of context.
Explain how that isn't derailing?'"
I have answered you about Hopoate. I think in your fury to reply and win a point you have skimmed over it.
I am not derailing anything. I picked up on something NK said and I argued the point. That's it, the end of it. Why are you still going on? If you don't like threads derailing then leave it. |
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Stop trying to be a smart a*se.. NK said we had never been without so many, I said we have. That really is the start and end of it. For someone who has accused me of derailing a thread, posting condescending nonsense like this is a little bit hypocritical.
Let's move on shall we?'"
I'm not being a smart a*se or anything else. That explains why your obsessing on the statement you have was incorrect as you didn't know the context. You can't have it both ways mate. If you're insisting you're righting a wrong then you de facto invite the same to be applied to your own statements. Do you disagree? |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "I'm not being a smart a*se or anything else. That explains why your obsessing on the statement you have was incorrect as you didn't know the context. You can't have it both ways mate. If you're insisting you're righting a wrong then you de facto invite the same to be applied to your own statements. Do you disagree?'"
NK said it was a fact we had never been without 5, 6 or 7 players. He didn't mention for how long in the comment I responded to. I picked up on that and argued the point and proved that in fact we had. I have since gone on to say that I agree we haven't been without players for a sustained period.
There are only so many times I can't type those same words. That really is it. Like I keep saying, if you don't want the thread derailing, then leave it. |
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I have answered you about Hopoate. I think in your fury to reply and win a point you have skimmed over it.
I am not derailing anything. I picked up on something NK said and I argued the point. That's it, the end of it. Why are you still going on? If you don't like threads derailing then leave it.'"
You did answer but there were so many replies it skipped a page. My apologies for missing it.
So from your answer you agree that NK had a point when not considering Hopoate a viable option at fullback now? |
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "NK said it was a fact we had never been without 5, 6 or 7 players. He didn't mention for how long in the comment I responded to. I picked up on that and argued the point and proved that in fact we had. I have since gone on to say that I agree we haven't been without players for a sustained period.
There are only so many times I can't type those same words. That really is it. Like I keep saying, if you don't want the thread derailing, then leave it.'"
I love the way you answer and then tell others to leave it! 
Tell you what; I'll answer this once then we can both leave it, hey? 
Firstly you haven't answered anything. You gave 2 examples, both of which actually proved NK's point. The first one has 4 first teamers missing, not 5 and the 2nd one you lost (which was exactly the point being made in the first place). You've disproved nothing so far
Secondly, by your own admission, you haven't read the thread so have no context with which to show his statement as wrong anyway. If you had read the thread you'll have known that it related to a sustained period of injury so you 'proving' that NK was wrong was totally unnecessary.
There. I've had the last say. Let's leave it now, shall we? |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "You did answer but there were so many replies it skipped a page. My apologies for missing it.
So from your answer you agree that NK had a point when not considering Hopoate a viable option at fullback now?'"
No I don't. He wouldn't be 1st choice but could still slot in comfortably in my opinion. He did play there for a spell in the friendly v Leigh and looked good to be fair. So I think when discussing depth and versatility, Hopoate would be a more than adequate back up to Welsby. |
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "No I don't. He wouldn't be 1st choice but could still slot in comfortably in my opinion. He did play there for a spell in the friendly v Leigh and looked good to be fair. So I think when discussing depth and versatility, Hopoate would be a more than adequate back up to Welsby.'"
Ok. I can't say I know enough about him now to have a strong opinion either way. If you think there wouldn't be a big drop off in quality I'm more than happy to take your word for it. |
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| I see no- one has mentioned that we were without 5 injured players yesterday and still won.
No Knowles, Lees, Walmsley, Matautia or Hopoate
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| Quote: Stu M "I see no- one has mentioned that we were without 5 injured players yesterday and still won.
No Knowles, Lees, Walmsley, Matautia or Hopoate
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After last week's defeat I assumed Knowles was dropped?
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| Quote: Stu M "I see no- one has mentioned that we were without 5 injured players yesterday and still won.
No Knowles, Lees, Walmsley, Matautia or Hopoate
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Wingfield played though, so all is well
Bet it was as a good day out that yesterday. Pretty jealous with that draw for Saints but not as much on the next one.
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| Quote: Stu M "I see no- one has mentioned that we were without 5 injured players yesterday and still won.
No Knowles, Lees, Walmsley, Matautia or Hopoate
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Against championship opposition and you were poor. Still, you did manage to put a similar amount of points on Haven as the mighty Sheffield Eagles did the week before so we can conclude that, without those players mentioned you're at least as good as them
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| Quote: Stu M "I see no- one has mentioned that we were without 5 injured players yesterday and still won.
No Knowles, Lees, Walmsley, Matautia or Hopoate
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If lost those many players for a few games (like Wigan in the past) you would lose more games than win
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| Quote: Stu M "I see no- one has mentioned that we were without 5 injured players yesterday and still won.
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Stu, put the fishing rod away, you're far better than that.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Stu, put the fishing rod away, you're far better than that.'"
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| Quote: Phuzzy "*What an absolute cop out.
So no answers then? I'll take it you agree with me on all points.
*I quoted you as describing Wigan players in general as average. I was disproving the point as well you know. Show me where you singled out Field, or any other Wigan player, as falling in the "World Class" category. You only mentioned 2 categories in your post
Eh?
I said Wigan have "more" average players than Saints. I did not say all your players were average and I certainly didn't say Field was (indeed I said you would struggle to score points without him at the moment and he is electric against lazy defenders but that I'd like to see him more against the league's big boys before making my mind up). Do you disagree? If so, say so rather than pretending I said Wigan players are average and Saints players world class.
The only time I mentioned "world class" was regarding Walmsley. Alex Walmsley IS world class. Wigan do not have any world class players. Bateman had a claim at one pont but there has been nothing world class about him since he returned to Wigan. Again, feel free to disagree if you like with what I ACTUALLY said. FWIW I think AW is the only genuinely world class player across the two squads, with Roby/Knowles the best of the rest.
If I said the words Christmas and Tuesday in a post it wouldn't mean I was saying every day is either Christmas or Tuesday, so I don't really know what you're on about in trying to pretend I said all players are average or world class. Feels a bit diversionary to me so I ignored it.
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