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| Quote: NickyKiss "It’s not the fear I smell but I do hear a big clock ticking. When the bell rings Holbrook will be back in Australia and will have taken Thompson with him and Roby will be nothing more than a second statue.
Enjoy it whilst you can (best win some trophies mind).'"
Sorry to disappoint but all 3 will be replaced and with the cap space that the retirement of Roby and potential departure of Thompson would free up, those replacements will likely be of high quality. Anyway, I’d be worrying about the state of your own squad. With the team you’ve got, combined with having Lam as coach I doubt you’ll be seeing any silverware for a long time.
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| Quote: AS108 "Sorry to disappoint but all 3 will be replaced and with the cap space that the retirement of Roby and potential departure of Thompson would free up, those replacements will likely be of high quality. Anyway, I’d be worrying about the state of your own squad. With the team you’ve got, combined with having Lam as coach I doubt you’ll be seeing any silverware for a long time.'"
You can have all the money in the world mate but as we all know there simply aren’t realistic replacements for Roby or Thompson knocking about because they’re that good. You simply aren’t going to be able to sign the likes Damien Cook, Josh Hodgson, Warra-Hargreaves, Sam Burgess etc and they’re the quality you’re talking to adequately replace those two. You’ll end up with the next Tommy Lee and Josh Perry. There’s also the small matter of replacing the coach, who is the most important man at your club and is solely responsible for your resurgence (even though it’s currently not yielded a proper trophy). I actually think he’ll stay for another couple of years so you better clean up (no pressure).
As for us, we’re rebuilding for sure but we’re edging back up the league this year and we keep unearthing top players from our academy. Our juniors are comfortably the best in the league and have been for well over a decade, so we won’t fall too far off the pace anytime soon. I’d say we’ll be in a pretty good position in a year or two to take advantage of the huge holes which will be left in your side.
The clock is ticking
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| Quote: NickyKiss "You can have all the money in the world mate but as we all know there simply aren’t realistic replacements for Roby or Thompson knocking about because they’re that good. '"
Not to mention that Roby won't be taking up that much cap space due to his longevity, England elite etc etc similar to Lockers. So whilst you will have the money to replace him, you won't have the actual cap space.
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| It wont be long until they are back in their box
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| I can see Roby going on until 37/38 personally - outstanding athlete.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "It’s not the fear I smell but I do hear a big clock ticking. When the bell rings Holbrook will be back in Australia and will have taken Thompson with him and Roby will be nothing more than a second statue.
Enjoy it whilst you can (best win some trophies mind).'"
Unlike you Nicky ,if those players leave we will replace them with a mixture of quality and youth .You let Bateman and Ratboy go and replaced them with Escare Sammut and a couple of kids.That because you are Skint.
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "And how many were you missing the first time they beat you?
Take Makinson and Swift (Manfredi/Davies), Naquima (Sarginson), Grace (Burgess), Walmsley (Flower), Thompson (Clubb), Paulo (Greenwood), Taia (Faz) and Knowles (SOL) plus someone like say Amor (he can count for Hamlin, Tautai and Bullock) out of your side for the same number of games as we have missed those and there is a very strong chance you would be a "shambles" as well. The pack you put out at weekend is pretty much what we have played with all season.'"
You had 2 forwards in Hamlin and Tautai who you let go because of drinking offenses ,they werent injured.Its not saints fault your club has players that behave the way they do.
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "Unlike you Nicky ,if those players leave we will replace them with a mixture of quality and youth .You let Bateman and Ratboy go and replaced them with Escare Sammut and a couple of kids.That because you are Skint.'"
Hardaker and Greenwood actually.
As for Saints, McManus had a track record of signing the likes of Hohaia, Perry and bad Peuroux until Holbrook came in. All of a sudden the signings look better and bad Peyroux is now good Peyroux and it’s all down to Holbrook.
See where this is going?
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| I cannot believe that this thread is at 22 pages.This is Wigan Warriors Fans Forum and is being dominated by a topic relating to our biggest rival.I posted my
Views on the 16th June and it seems to me that we are at 22 pages purely because several members continue to indulge a certain Saints fan.Why bother just let it go.
Saints are way ahead of the rest of Super League and have an excellent coach who conducts himself with great dignity and decorum unlike a particular fan.
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| Quote: onside "I cannot believe that this thread is at 22 pages.This is Wigan Warriors Fans Forum and is being dominated by a topic relating to our biggest rival.I posted my
Views on the 16th June and it seems to me that we are at 22 pages purely because several members continue to indulge a certain Saints fan.Why bother just let it go.
Saints are way ahead of the rest of Super League and have an excellent coach who conducts himself with great dignity and decorum unlike a particular fan.'"
Aren’t the rest of us allowed an opinion?
I think there have been some good points made in recent pages.
Saints are excellent but they aren’t going to dominate for years to come.
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| All debate. The way the forum traffic seems to have dwindled over the years, I wouldn’t put anybody off contributing.
I think the debate about Saints is a good one, they’re a good side with a great coach but their fans have a history of getting over giddy when they have a good side and becoming dismissive of other teams. They seem to be forgetting just how frustrated they were with the way their club was heading up until Holbrook came in and to remind them that things change quickly is no bad thing.
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "You had 2 forwards in Hamlin and Tautai who you let go because of drinking offenses ,they werent injured.Its not saints fault your club has players that behave the way they do.'"
Which is why I gave you Amor to cover them AND Bullock who has ended up as our #1 prop but realistically shouldn't even be in the side. He is out for 5 weeks now too.
Interested to hear your comments on how you would do minus the other 9 players I mentioned or shall we just look at your two defeats to London as exhibit A?
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| Quote: Azul "Aren’t the rest of us allowed an opinion?
I think there have been some good points made in recent pages.
Saints are excellent but they aren’t going to dominate for years to come.'"
The way our season went last year, I wouldn't be comfortable saying we would dominate for months to come
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| Azul,
Of course you are allowed an opinion which I respect but the topic has been hijacked by a tiresome Saints fan whose only purpose is to try to get under the skin of other contributors to the thread.
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "Unlike you Nicky ,if those players leave we will replace them with a mixture of quality and youth .You let Bateman and Ratboy go and replaced them with Escare Sammut and a couple of kids.That because you are Skint.'"
We replaced them with Hardaker and Greenwood, but don't let facts get in the way of a good troll hey? Maybe you're that insular in Sintellins that you failed to notice the several seasons Escare and Tomkins played in the same squads.
Just for clarity; what's the difference between 'youth' and 'kids'. Do you think it makes it sound better to say the same thing in a different way? How are our 'kids' any different than your 'youth', other than generally being better (as proven by the multiple titles they've won)?
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