Play with matches and you get burnt.

IL has done far more good than bad for this club, but the bad that he has done has usually been catastrophic.

Lenagan/Radders have done more good than bad I agree and last time I looked we was top of the table after beating stains.
I trust them to look after Wigan Warriors more than any keyboard warrior .If you notice it has been said the old crest might be used on a heritage game as a special one off (I know it will be a good selling point) but look at it this way the club needs money and your support not derision at every turn.
We do not own the club we support it as I have for over 50years through s*it times through great times but I am still here,its in our blood you see.A new crest does not define my supportI just support.

The irony is that we’ve put out a new badge trying to move the sport and our club forward but in the same 24hrs voted not to let the fastest growing team in an international city with unbelievable potential back into Super League.

Chances are now SL will promote a stagnant club like Leigh/Featherstone. How glamourous.

Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do.

Lenagan has got some things wrong for sure but my word he’s got more right and a lot of his decisions have been spectacularly right. I believe he’s an absolute legend of this club and I shudder to think where we could’ve been without him. It doesn’t mean you back every call he makes regardless of you being in favour or not but he deserves masses of respect.

The club we support today compared to the one he took over is chalk and cheese. I’m not chuffed with the badge but they’ve rebuilt a lot of our tradition and have constantly pushed our heritage in various ways. The pushing of the youth system gives everyone great pride. To see so many players come through and debut in his time has been my biggest highlight.

In short, I’ll forgive him for changing our badge and see how it plays out.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=102 ... 2510433603 Hero - badge Heretic no badge!!!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=102 ... 2510433603 Hero - badge Heretic no badge!!!!!!

to be fair they put themselves out of the league .....

In business you need to keep trying new things to keep moving forward, to attract new business and increase the profile of the Wigan brand.

Some things have worked really well (I think the annual Skolars match is worth its weight in gold for instance, long may that continue) other things haven't worked as well both financially and annoying the supporters such as Millwall and the Australia/Hull FC trip both of which would have been carefully planned no doubt but ultimately failed.

I don't mind gambles in business as long as the risks have been calculated, if the pros outweigh the cons. This brand re-design has no doubt been planned for a couple of years. One thing I know, its given us exposure on numerous media outlets (Granada Reports, BBC North West.... etc), whilst the vast majority of supporter reactions has been negative at best, horrified at worst I guarantee one thing.... by the time we start letting supporters into the stadium there will be literally thousands of supporters wearing merchandise which includes that logo.

How replica shirt sales this off season compare to the last few years is up for debate, but unless merchandise sales drop like a stone it's here to stay.

That’s why I said “back”

The ultra irony is Hull KR have effectively done the same. I patiently await calls to boot them out of SL.....

how? They fulfilled the minimum 15 and they might know more than us in regards to when the season is ending

Word for word, that's what he said?

Because I've just watched the Granada Reports interview on twitter and I didn't hear him say that at all. I didn't even hear him hint at anything like that.

I wonder sometime what world some supporters are living in when they think that a club in Canada or indeed the USA where team sports like American Football, Baseball, Basketball, Ice Hockey even Lacrosse and Soccer are far bigger where crowds and finance are concerned.

As for adverse comments about long standing and established clubs like Featherstone Rovers and Leigh, I wonder if those making the comments would be saying the same if Wigan ( who nearly were a few years ago, but for the gang of four) were possibly regular members of the Championship.

They should also remember Blackpool Borough, Chorley Lynx, Kent Invicta, Liverpool City/Stanley later Huyton, Mansfield, Tameside Borough etc, clubs from outside the traditional Rugby League playing area who have all gone by the wayside when the novelty had worn off and crowds have gone as a result of losing more game than they would ever win.

Even the world wide game of Rugby Union cannot get established on the same level as the North America sports I have mentioned, so what chance if any, has Rugby League with one or two clubs with lower finance and crowds.

When Toronto withdrew, they were bottom with a squad which already with the few games they had played, was showing that it was not of the required quality and standard of the Super League.

That's because he didn't.

I've also watched the interviews on Wigan tv and he didn't say it on there either.

It makes me laugh when people start the whole 'You have to accept change/if you don't change you're a dinosaur/business needs change etc ballcocks. Thats like a silver bullet which allows people in power to do what they want, change want they want and sneer at those who don't agree with them. Its almost tyrannical.

The new badge looks like a white walker on a costa coffee logo, maybe the designer has been subtly influenced by his love of Game of Thrones and Costa Coffee.

Maybe the players like the badge because they spend more time in Costa Coffee than playing rugby.

All in all what they have done and how they have done it is a disgrace, the badge as it is may need modernising but not changing. You could take our badge and lessen the detail and make the badge better for digital platforms but not change it.

They mentioned having it like the Northern Soul badge, well that badge signifies Northern Soul and always will, to steal it won't make our brand more identifiable but more like a snide copy of the Northen Soul logo like you get the Keep Calm posters and different variations.

The whole 'I see a steely look in every Wiganer and also 2000 years ago there were Brigantes in this area' rubbish. You may aswell have a bloke with a flat cap, a woodbine and a whippet on his way to the mill as our logo if thats the case. What a load of dross.

How much has this cost? I had an email with the club begging for money in March because of Covid, how much have they spent on this unwanted, unwarranted vanity project?

Can someone who is good on a computer rig up a similar badge but instead of the White Walker, put the Castle with crown on top (Yes Ive seen that one rigged up already) but also the lions either side and the king on top etc.