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Quote: fleabag "So there's only 2 games worth turning up for us speccies ?

The Grand Finat at OT and Wembley ?

I wish someone had told me that years ago.'"


Or you could have worked it out like the rest of us............

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[b:2xpsdjab][u:2xpsdjab]Wigan Warriors[/u:2xpsdjab][/b:2xpsdjab] [u:2xpsdjab]Challenge Cup Winners 2011, 2013[/u:2xpsdjab] [u:2xpsdjab]Super League Champions 2010, 2013[/u:2xpsdjab]:



We didn't utilise Hampshire enough. The halves didn't create enough space for Hampshire to attack. Thats down to Blake Green, worst performance from him without a doubt, shocking. His passing and decision making was atrocious tonight.
When Sam Powell had the ball i thought we looked a lot more dangerous.
Our defense was awful tonight, ive never seen a Wigan team in the last 3 years miss as many tackles in one game than i did tonight.
We have to pick it up for Wembley, Hull will be really up for it and the way were performing at the moment we wont be bringing that Challenge Cup home.

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We simply have to hope that it's a master plan by Wane.

Personally I doubt it.

I hope that somehow Wigan fortuitously turn it around and win the CC and GF, but if they do I am not convinced it will have been on account of Wane.

I had my doubts when he was appointed. I think it was right to give him a year, but 2 years down the line, I am unconvinced.

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The moment Sam Powell (pretty sure it was him) failed to find touch with that kick you knew the game was gone - massive mistake which galvanised Huddersfield and we simply could not get in their half after that.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Overreaction of epic proportions. It's commonly accepted that 1, 7, 9 and 13 form the spine (or rudder, if you will) of a team. For us that's Sam, Smith, McIlorum and Lockers. You will notice 3 of those were in the stands. Also, we were playing the top team in the league when we had one eye on the cup, not bad that we were within a score for most of the game and we had a bad day errorswise. As for Sam, he was in the 19 on Wednesday, and I know for a fact his kit was put out on gameday, so whatever it was, he was planned to be playing. What the hell makes the OP think he's just picking and choosing is beyond me. Just sour grapes because he's leaving I suspect. What does he expect, Wane to play him when he's 50/50 just so we stand a better chance of beating Huddersfield, then maybe lose him for Wembley? I'd be the first to call for his head if that happened. Anyone carrying a knock shouldn't be risked in the league fixtures and I'm glad to see they aren't being. We need everyone available with gas in the tank for Wembley and the play offs.

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Quote: Grimmy "Overreaction of epic proportions. It's commonly accepted that 1, 7, 9 and 13 form the spine (or rudder, if you will) of a team. For us that's Sam, Smith, McIlorum and Lockers. You will notice 3 of those were in the stands. Also, we were playing the top team in the league when we had one eye on the cup, not bad that we were within a score for most of the game and we had a bad day errorswise. As for Sam, he was in the 19 on Wednesday, and I know for a fact his kit was put out on gameday, so whatever it was, he was planned to be playing. What the hell makes the OP think he's just picking and choosing is beyond me. Just sour grapes because he's leaving I suspect. What does he expect, Wane to play him when he's 50/50 just so we stand a better chance of beating Huddersfield, then maybe lose him for Wembley? I'd be the first to call for his head if that happened. Anyone carrying a knock shouldn't be risked in the league fixtures and I'm glad to see they aren't being. We need everyone available with gas in the tank for Wembley and the play offs.'"



This is the "glass half full" view of the world. icon_smile.gif

Personally I hope you are right and it's a master plan by Wane.

Irrespective of this we massively rely on Sam. Look at the stats.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "Utter bollox.

Look at our record without Sam. Look at it without Lockers.


Lockers is a vastly improved player over the last 2 or 3 seasons there is no doubt.

However, our real problem is our lack of creativity. Our halves are hopeless.

We have rehed moves (which even I can work out now, obviously our opposition has. If I see the mis-out pass to Farrell on the left one more time, my head will be bloody from the facepalms.


Sam is the X factor. He makes our dull, repetitive moves look good.


If Wane want's to go down under next year he has my blessing.

Massively reliant on a once in a decade superstar.'"


Absolutely bang on. a014.gif
Great to see someone talking sense. Why people ignore our win and loss record with/without Sam is beyond me. I think is possibly because Sam is going at the end of the season and Lockers isn't.

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We might win the CC or playoffs with Sam in the team.

But don't people think its a MASSIVE concern how Wane can't get a win without Sam? Should be the main talking point! Especially with Sam on his way if we are to believe he's off to NZ

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Quote: dany1979 "The moment Sam Powell (pretty sure it was him) failed to find touch with that kick you knew the game was gone - massive mistake which galvanised Huddersfield and we simply could not get in their half after that.'"


Watch it again and freeze frame where grix catches the ball. He has one foot on the touch line.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "We might win the CC or playoffs with Sam in the team.

But don't people think its a MASSIVE concern how Wane can't get a win without Sam? Should be the main talking point! Especially with Sam on his way if we are to believe he's off to NZ'"


No because we don't know yet who is coming into the side.

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i was reliably informed that your Sam was suspended due to imbibing too much of the hard stuff in recent days [last night?].

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At the moment we look like a team with no direction, no management, the players look lost under pressure with no plan B, i fear for SW as the big match performances have been short of the mark.

I hope i'm very wrong but Hull are hitting form and we look very weak in defence and attack, if we lose the cup i feel the end for SW no matter what the play off's bring.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "No because we don't know yet who is coming into the side.'"

Yeah right.

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Based on the payers on the field last night:

1) Ball control - awful. the amount of dropped ball especially early in the tackle count was shocking. Put ourselves under huge pressure allowing Hudds great field position and I think they scored most of their tries directly from these mistakes - and the missed touch pen.

2) Defence - we seem to confuse ill disciplined running out of the line with aggressive defence - same story at the Saints game. Too many players flew out of the line trying to put in a big hit, then were stepped and ended up grasping thin air or making a half tackle - we missed so many tackles this way and made it easy for Hudds to break the first tackle.

We need to get back to a good disciplined flat quick defence. We did it early in the season but seem to have forgotten about it now.

It's almost like wane has them so fired up they forget about technique and try and play on adrenaline alone.

3) Attack. Some people are saying our plays are too easy to read - what plays???? We just aren't putting on any plays at the moment. The one time we did - and there were actually two lines of dummy runners, Charnley got some space and scored a great try.

We are simply not putting on the same plays we did early in the season. At the start of the season we had so many dummy runners and options at times I couldn't see who had taken the ball. Now, we are playing a very flat ball to a forward 9 times out of 10 - and dropping it 50% of the time.......

I don't know if this is intentional in order to make our 'usual plays' harder to read, but it makes us easier to defend against - and causes more room for error - and we are making lots of errors. It may be without lockers we just don't have the 2nd/3rd receiver who can actually make these plays work?

4) Forwards - Apart from Taylor there was not a single forward who consistently broke the line. Mossop and Lauaki need to take a good hard look at themselves. Flower and Crosby need to come back asap. We are missing an experienced pack leader - not a hot headed ill disciplined ineffective forward.

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