Unless you know IL personally you can't know that. It's possible that he is more enlightened than you and will take a longer term view weighing up all of the good things SW has done and weighing up all the things he needs to improve and coming to a balanced decision for the good of the club, rather than take some nonsensical dogmatic approach.

You are right Euclid. I think the hope of many including myself saw the continuity argument as a big factor in endorsing the appointment of Wane. Despite what some one eyed fans think I supported the appointment of Wane. So continuity and the fact that it was working perfectly meant any new coach was better resisting too much change too soon. I believe even the likes of Monie and possibly Lowe largely observed for a month before making changes. The Dorahay era is the best example of tampering with a successful system.

I miss watching the way we played under Maguire. The high completion, low error, grind it out at all costs philosophy that frustrated the hell out of our opposition players, coaches and fans.

I still scratch my head at why you changing a trophy winning formula. That showed no signs of being found out or tactically out thought. Tweaking of that formula I can appreciate and understand. But fundamental changes to a style that won us trophy's in 2010 and 2011, for no apparent reason. Pig headed in my book, nothing more nothing less.

It's one of the reasons for my absence on this forum in recent times.

Even the players game smarts and rugby brains don't seem quite as clinical as they did under Madge.

Never the less I'll continue to support the players through thick and thin no matter what, because as a fan that's what you do. Just when I clap, I won't clap happy.

How was i patronising to Wakefield its true for them its an achievement to make the top 8. Without the fear of relegation the owners of the clubs who 9 times out of 10 languish near the foot of the table so all they have in reality is taking part in the game. They will not win a trophy in the next 10 years. Yet is it acceptable for us to have that type of attitude on the field. I have argued with DaveO i think Wane is the right coach for us and that i do think we can win a trophy this season. But if we fail to make a final this season i do think he could go. As his contract is up and no announcement has been dame but i do think IL has the option of an extra year for him if he wants.

As for RL players not having a win at all cost attitude of course they do. What do you think they do when they do not go back 10 meters, push the ball out in the tackle, late hit on a player kicking the ball, Chicking Wing tackles and some players will even try and goad the ref into making a decision. Sam, Briers, Long and Faz are good at it.

If we do not get to any final this season will IL view it as success or failure.

Like everything else posted on here it's an opinion. I have already said I think he will be here next year but I believe if Wane doesn't deliver a CC or GF win soon after he will not keep the job.

History even under IL with Noble would suggest this not an unreasonable opinion to hold and I don't need to know IL to form it.

I think Liverpool in soccer with the "boot room" philosophy where one coach carried on the same approach as the last with little difference shows it does happen. I expected it to happen here for several reasons. First of all it clearly worked and delivered success so I didn't expect a change. Second Wane was part of the system and so having seen it work was, I thought, signed up to delivering it and was actually involved in coaching the players to play like this. Third as a rookie he would take what he had learned and would apply it, not change it.

If we had employed a coach from outside the club I'd have expected a change in tactics and approach and so this is why I was in favour of Wane. I thought he'd carry on the winning formula and as a rookie I was very surprised he decided to change it.

But you speak with such authority! ~Not everything on here is opinion, some posts are informed comment, some are indeed factual, some are barking mad!
Changing your mind is ok, the sign of an intelligent man. You previously posted that SW WILL be gone if he doesn't win anything, you now seem to be agreeing with me that IL will give him another year regardless! Thanks.

People are talking as though we were this all-conquering side under Madge, there were plenty of frustrating defeats to "lesser opposition" and he certainly didn't get the tactics right every time. Of the top of my head I can think of Bradford away in 2010 when we gave up a big lead, Harlequins at home, Leeds in the cup QF, Catalans at home in 2011. Plus we limped out of the playoffs in 2011 with two defeats to Saints, and we even needed the second bite of the cherry in 2010 becuase we lost to Leeds in week one.

Don't get me wrong, Madge is an excellent coach and was fantastic for this club. FWIW I don't think Wane did just throw out what Madge brought in, we still do a lot of the things we did in 2010/11, Shaun has just tried to open our attack up a bit. He's made mistakes with selections etc but so did Maguire. It seems to me that people are still trying to stick with the opinions they formed 2 years ago because SW doesn't speak with an Australian accent.

I appreciated this doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but you only have to look at the two's winning record to see SW doesn't really deserve the criticism he is getting from a few.

2010 P 34 W 27 L 7
2011 P 36 W 26 L7 D3
Maguire Win % = 75%

2012 P 33 W 25 L 8
2013 P 22 W 17 L 4 D 1
Wane Win % = 76%

There is nothing contradictory in my often stated opinion that I think Wane will get another year and the opinion he will be sacked if he doesn't win a CC or GF soon after. I have been saying the exact same thing for months every time Wane comes up for discussion.

Do you think that IL will trigger the 1 extra season on his contract or will he give him a new one before the season ends?

Glad to hear that you weren't being patronising to Wakey, they gave us a hell of a game last month and deserved to win even without their best two players.

If you think that Rugby League players try to win at all costs by cheating like footballers do then I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Success or failure isn't a black and white issue like some people think (The - "If we don't win a trophy then he's a failure" - mentality). It's all about context. Any reasonable person would take other things into account like how well the team have performed over the season, whether they have had bad luck with injuries and so on, because if it was down to luck then that might change next year and we win something without the upheaval of changing the coach.

Football is the worst game in the world for cheating its minimal in RL compared to it. When you got a manager who uses the media to put pressure on a ref and then gets the team to do it in a game then its beyond a professional game.

Do not get me wrong we have seen some extraordinary displays by Wane's teams Leeds away last season been 1 of the best and the humiliation put on Saints in the Magic Weekend until Hock's brain fart was fantastic. But for all the great games come September get 1 bad one its over. Its not Wane's fault that the league is the third most important thing to win now but in the end he has got to win something or he will not get an extension. Though if we get to a final i can see him here next season. Though after that i agree with DaveO he has got to win something in 2014.

Don't know. IL played his cards very close to his chest with Noble IIRC. Maybe something will be said after the CC. That time seems to be the favourite suggestion for an announcement re Sam so maybe something about Wane will be said then also.The last we heard on the matter was from Wane (I think) saying contract talks were on the back burner.

Looking better for Waney now, eh?

Based on what IL said in the press before the game, yes it is.