Heavens!! You're even further away from Nirvana than I am

Should be Wakefield or Castleford.

Don't mind which.

We all know widnes will get in and they would be my personal choice. But it does seem harsh on the other championship sides when the rfl promote a team currently in 8th position and who haven't appeared in a grand final since licences were introduced.

Got to be Wakefield for me

Personally I can only see it being Wakefield going, I'd of said Cas but they are actually trying to go ahead with a new stadia, whilst Wakey seem to be messing around with it ie. not even contemplating a groundshare. To me that's stupid, a groundshare would save both clubs IMHO.

Salford, nah can't see them being demoted, what with thier new stadium construction underway and the signing of Luke Patten and (rumoured) Andrew Ryan. Cru's and Quins are safe, both expansion area's and Quins are fielding more and more young english talent.

So unless something dramatic happens its going to be bye bye Wakefield for 2012.

What promises have they not fulfilled?

New stadia surely?

EDIT: by promises, I mean taking the relevant steps to ensure they are up to standard for a new license. They knew what they needed to do to make sure they got a license, as yet that haven't done it.

Both were talking about new stadiums in 2009. So in two years very little has been accomplished stadium wise by Cas and Wakey.

At least Saints and Salford have begun ground work at there respective new grounds.

Thr RFL say a team will be dropping out, what if both cas and wildcats start the build by 2012?

Frpm their comments, do they know some team ain't going to get the new staduim.

The point im making, the RFL may be a little early in saying a team will drop out on the basis of stadium being built, both teams may be well into the build when the current license runs out.

The RFL aren't saying it though, its my opinion. If they have started building a stadium by the time the licenses are coming around then it will change, but as it stands neither of them is anywhere near building a stadium. And surely it takes a couple of years at least to get planning permission, funds, plans etc etc.

as it stands at the moment , i would bin both wakey and cas

wakey are just a very poor team and offer very little , there is also the ground issue

cas , the ground is a disgrace , best part of £20 to stand on crumbling terraces next to the gents , this brings its own unique ''flavour''

cas will not get another penny of my money again , untill the new ground is up and running at least

there is also the issue of both clubs away support ?
what do they bring when they are playing away , on this level they are comparable with quins

Wakefield out Widnes in will do nicely.

Seconded.