By unrealistic expectations, i assume you mean us wanting to have our players ready both mentally and physically for the start of the season, not just the last 5 games. Also wanting the team to turn up each week and give 100% effort and not be regularly "out enthused". The ability to perform the "basics" and not watch the same people making the same mistakes week in and week out.

Whilst i appreciate that the last one is also down to the players, its the coaches job to ensure that a spell in the stands is on the cards if you cant get things sorted. And lets face it Nobby never drops anyone, except Mark Calderwood, and he not here to drop now.

I do.

This one comment shows the absolute dross spoken regarding Brian Noble.

I will name a few he has dropped off the top of my head.

Andy Coley
Amos Roberts
Tim Smith

I am also sure there was a spell when Mark Riddell was playing in the reserves at one point.

I can only assume that Wigan fans will not be happy until they get a coach who has dropped the entire team into the resrves at one point or another throughout the season.

I don't. That's my point. The season isn't "finished" yet and the worse we can do is joint 3rd.


The league positions are very much second best when compared to form at this point of the season.

Will have to bow to your knowledge on the dropping of Coley and Roberts has your right about that he did drop them, however not seen much dropping of Fielden or Feka, so its swings and round a bouts.

I have no problem with Nobby think he done a great job and wouldnt mind keeping him on. If he does stay on think ill save my money on a season ticket though and just pick the end of season games, and maybe against leeds.

If you want to assume that based on the opinion of one poster on here then feel free. However, I for one have never wanted such a thing. What I have wanted was a team that didn't consistently lose half of its matches season after season and Noble has failed to deliver that.

He wont be staying so dont worry about that. What i cant get my head around though is why fans want to keep making things up such as 'he wont drop anyone' when the fact is he will drop players. Another fantasy dreamt up by Wigan fans is he wont play young players or he will only play Aussies.

As far as dropping Fielden and Feka goes he obviously has reasons. Fielden ill agree has been poor going forward for a big chunk of the season but maybe Noble could see that he was still offering us something with his defence? I dont know why you would want to drop Feka because other than the game against Warrington in the CC semi final he hasnt done alot wrong.

In reality no matter who the coach is it will not alter the fact that the end of season and play off games are the more exciting than a fairly meaningless game in April when all that is at stake is 2 points in a league where there is no massive advantage finishing in 3rd over 6th. Its just the way the competition works and no matter who the coach is wont alter that fact.

This post perfectly illustrates the "you're totally wrong and we're totally right" attitude that is characterising the Nobby debate.

Apparently it's 'absolute dross' to voice concerns about the way Nobby has coached Wigan, despite our generally poor-to-average performances, and a completely daft example (re. dropping the entire team) - which in no way relates to anything any poster has said thus far, to my knowledge - is offered as proof.

Can't you just accept that some fans have an issue with the way we so regularly underperform? Is it so wrong to want to see someone with new ideas brought in? Is it unrealistic to want to see our team start getting the basics right? It is 'thick and stubborn' - as someone said the other day - to be disappointed that yet another poor pre-season has seen us having to challenge for silverware from way down the league? Why should we be unquestioningly loyal to a coach who, after three years in charge, has stabilized us at mid-table?

I've yet to hear a single coherent argument as to why it's wrong for Wigan fans to want to see improvements in these areas.

I used to get irritated with Charlie Seeling when he made scathing comments about "this and that aren't good enough for Wigan" etc, because I thought he was being pompous and arrogant. I still think that, but flipping heck ... it's surely neither pompous nor arrogant to want to improve a little on what you've currently got.

We have not lost half of our games this year. Weve won more than weve lost by 15/12 so that is another fantasy dreamt up by Wigan fans.

Thats quite a dummy spit Cruncher.

The OP stated Noble did not drop players. I gave him examples of players he has dropped.

Do you honestly believe that he does not drop players even though i have given you facts to prove he does drop players?

And yes, of course it is 'dross' to come on stating things which are not true. I cant see why you are trying to argue about it. I have no problem with you or anyone else finding fault with Noble but at least speak the truth rather than making fantasys up.

And i agreed and recanted my statement, as a total fact, what i should have said was he wont drop certain players regardless of performance. Fielden being my key point. However im neither pro or anti noble, could get chuck norris in for all i care as long as he gets the team ready to start the season.