Yes. And on the VT to Big G. No retraction or apology from either!

well you should be because however much you try and change the subject, i pointed out it was a vote by peers, so what would my or your opinion matter you dingbat! this not only makes you look stupid but makes it obvious you miss the whole point of a debate.

in your eyes it works like this.

1. make a statement.
2. when some one disagrees or makes you look stupid ask a totally unrelated question in order to cover up your stupidity!


mmmm very clever mister bond!

Resorting to insults... that's a sure sign you've lost the argument.

How is the question of whether Roby should have won the MoS instead of Chase unrelated to this debate? What a bizarre thing to say. I wasn't changing the subject, but taking the Wigan factor out of the equation (because clearly I can be accused - as a Wigan fan - of favouring Wigan players) when arguing that the decision was a joke. That accusation can't be levelled against me when it comes to a Saint! I'd rather a Saints player wasn't better than a Cas player, but Roby had an amazing season and he deserves to be ranked ahead of Chase. I wish it weren't true, but it is and it means Chase's award is a mistake.

And as for expressing a view, why shouldn't I be allowed to express my opinion? Judging by vote by those supposedly in the know doesn't mean the result must always be right.... or are you the kind of person that thinks Dances with Wolves is a better film than Goodfellas because it won that year's Best Picture Oscar (or that the Shawshank Redemption isn't a great film because it didn't win a single Oscar...)? You really should make your own mind up rather than following the herd.

Sinfield for the umpteenth time proved himself again to SL's MVP

Tomkins certainly looked world class today. Unlike Chase.

Chase looked like what he is, a gamble on a half that 35% of the time can come up with the goods, but 65% of the time will fall flat on his arris.

Roby is the better player.

You're right about one thing: I'm not willing to admit that Chase was worthy of the Man of Steel award. Because he wasn't.

Just like to point out, MOS is chosen by fellow professionals during the regular season, not play off rugby, not the Grand Final and not international rugby, so look at the facts before coming out with these pointless comments, sick of hearing people moaning about Chase, he got MOS for performances in the black and amber not the white and red, so can we please now shut the f**k up about it and move on.

The "moaning" is inevitable - he's supposed to be the British game's top player. He's either a world class player who is seriously underperforming or the MoS is a joke.

I totally agree that hes been very poor for England, just cant understand why he isnt playing to his full potential but seriously i went to around 25 Cas matches last season and he was superb, he could quite easily have got MOM in just about every game due to his contribution, its as if its a different player out there, just dont get it.

I can he aint English . The rest played with a a passion for the jersey , and well played to them .

I thought Chase was one of our more threatening attackers yesterday.
Great day, great atmosphere and great to see rugby league internationals back at Wembley.

I know whay you mean by passion but Chase wasnt the only one out there who underperformed.

Can't be bothered going in to the man of steel debate again. I think the wrong man got it and yesterday pretty much nailed that theory.

Talking about the man that did get it though he had a real mixed bag yesterday but he is a genuine threat with ball in hand. I would like to see him play alongside Widdop with him just being given the instructions to run at them and create gaps. I'd give Widdop the kicking responsibilities and ask him to lead us about the place.

Sinfield just isn't good enough for this level and is again proving it.