Clearly the ancient server for RedVee blew up when French signed his new deal.

Watching Saints on Saturday was like watching Saints every single week. Tough to break down, they make you work hard around the middle to defend against them but there is a lack of ball movement and general attacking threat. Big games are mainly won via your defence though, so they're every chance of winning silverware. If they cannot improve that attack (and it's been like this for well over 12 months) the challenge for Wellens will be keeping the players excited about defending their way to wins every week. It's a long season to try and do it over 27 league games, cup games and play off games, especially as the pitches dry out and it becomes harder to keep teams out.

They again give another example of why I said after the Derby that I do not see things changing too much from Saints. What you see is what you get but it's still extremely tough to beat. One big learning Wigan can take from it is that you have to get in to Walmsley as soon as he takes possession of the call. Catalans did a fantastic job on him and he then looks clumsy, rather than the rampaging nuisance he was against us.

They certainly did - although it's arguably a bit easier with Lees missing and Mata'utia playing at centre.

Saints were obviously not remotely at their best vs Cats, but they still very easily could've won and would probably have beaten 80% of the league comfortably on that performance. I think the last few games have backed up what plenty have been saying for a while. When they've got most of their first team out they're a seriously tough proposition. But I still think three or four injuries hurts them more than it should hurt a team challenging for honours.

I can't see them really falling away as the season goes on, but at the same time I'd be surprised if they manage to peak at the back end when you really have to. Unless they get very fortunate on the injury front, that is.

True and then we obviously didn't have the confidence in guys like Mago, Nsemba and Leeming to defend that lead late in the game and Byrne was off the field, who Peet would have total faith in. That will be different when Havard and Cooper are back available and it will hopefully mean everyone is fresher throughout the full 80 minutes and pressure Walmsley right from the first minute to the last.

And we were down to 12 players for 30 mins.

Don't forget the age factor with Walmsley - him along with Lomax, Makinson, Hurrell and Paasi are 33/34 this year. Doesn't mean they're done by any means but they might be well advised to consider rotating at some point to reduce injury risk. Look at other front rowers of a similar age - Mike Cooper, Chris Hill and Walmsley himself - all starting to pick up regular injuries now after being relatively clear of them most of their careers.

That is all

Look an ageing team today Saints.

I said on GF not see much in this saints team. This proves me right can’t attack for toffee and their defence has been done over by crash balls and hot potato rugby

Not recovered from GF

To keep a group of players excited to just defend, defend and defend some more to try and win games is hard. We struggled with it under Lam and they look in a similar space currently. I said after Good Friday, we had plenty more in us but I wasn’t sure Saints did. I stand by that. They’ll be right up there at the end of the season and tough to beat but they have one way of winning games.

Mebee it is the year of the Wolfs. Such a shame, & at home too. Bless

Can I say a big congrats to all the Wigan fans who managed to get to the Saints game today just so they could get filmed leaving the ground with more than 10 mins to go

Top quality trolling!