Let's let Deacon cut his teeth elsewhere then have a crack at the Wigan job.

Next coach has to have NRL experience.

Let Deacon learn from an experience NRL coach at Wigan. Someone who can teach him another perspective to what he's learnt under SW.

This thread is like the ones on our board after the HKR defeat. We thought something was seriously wrong, something deep routed too.

Can't agree. I think the Wigan job is far too big a job to step into as your first Head Coach job without experience in a senior position in the top league in the World.

Is it now time to bring back The One

I have supported Wigan RL since 1984, and was a season ticket holder for over 15 years. Because of work commitments, I got to see fewer Friday night games. Since retiring to Anglesey, I've seen a few games, mainly on TV, however I had the misfortune to be at the match against Salford. I have NEVER seen such a shambolic performance from 17 players who were stealing a wage. I thought, after that, the next game, with a break and especially against Wire, they would storm it. So I decided to go to the match (In disgust, I left early). what a waste of money, time and effort! Matty Bowen dealt with all the high balls (which makes a change!) but the rest of the team were diabolical. As has been said elsewhere our forwards were pussies, Wires second row were bigger than our props. Our halves were non existent, our coach didn't have a clue (didn't really seem to have a plan "A" let alone a B or C!

Wigan now play one dimensional rugby, which has been sussed by all the other big teams, we don't scare them any more, we are now quite easy to defend against and, more worrying, very easy to attack against.

In short, if SW cannot or will not change recruitment policy, tactics, discipline, attitude and aggression (legal), then, I am sorry to say, he must go.

You lads need a pick up, some sparkling off the cuff RL with the ball being thrown about left and right by players comfortable in passing and catching.

Leigh v Featherstone on Sunday 12th July, 3pm ko would be just the tonic you fans need, free under 16 with adult tickets btw

The situation with Wane is very similar to that with Noble and I have been saying that for a while. I got slagged off for saying Noble was taking us nowhere fast at the end of 2007 because for some people the fact he came to the rescue in 2006 meant what I was saying was sacrilege when in fact if you judged the way the team was playing in a cold hard manner it was not good enough.

It's the same with Wane. The double has made him bullet proof for far too long despite things going backwards ever since.

I think it's actually worse with Wane. I think he has been exposed as outdated and tactically limited even more than noble.

I also think he has lost the dressing room. The players not only look clueless but not interested.

His selections are just strange with Powell for example and I think he only likes players who run themselves into the ground in training and hasn't much of a clue how to manage players for whom that would not be the best way to approach training. Once you face doesn't fit you are out in my view which is why I think Taylor went the way he did.

The structure of the competition is such we could get in the top 4 and win it but if we did it would be a huge fluke. In the past poor league games were dismissed as if we were keeping our powder dry saving ourselves for the end of season playoffs. I don't think anyone thinks that now.

This is the worst I've seen from Wigan's pack. I mean, even though you went down against Hull KR's bullying - at least you put up token resistance. Against Warrington it seemed like every time the dummy half looked up expecting a receiver [ino one was there. [/i

Any coach watching tonight's match and the Challenge Cup game must conclude that providing you don't make major defensive blunders outside, it is entirely possible to intimidate Wigan's forwards into submission.

In the last twenty minutes it was impossible not to notice the [irelish[/i Warrington defenders showed toward hitting and hurting Wigan players. I'm sure Shaun Wane will criticize the commitment of some of his guys (and he's right to). But on the issue of recruitment he must take his share of the responsibility. All the "commitment" in the world is no match for one of two genuine "hard cases" whose job it is to make sure nothing happens to their teammates. Warrington, Saints and Leeds have their quota. But I'm really struggling to identify this Wigan pack's "enforcers". O'Loughlin and McIloram are the closest I suppose. But the former seems crocked this season and McIloram's veneer of invincibility has been peeling away for some time (Masoe was using him as a tooth-pick recently).

Credit where credit is due - Wigan's backs have single-handedly kept them near the top. As for Bowen, I can't believe people are so willing to point the finger of blame in his direction without ever mentioning the obvious catastrophe in the forwards. Personally I thought he was one of your better players last night.

Matty Bowen & MM were the ONLY players who stood up to wire tonight.

Yes, I can't argue with any of that. Just rubbish rugby.

Long time no hear Alice.
Agree with virtually all of your points which must be a first.
Masoe? He is as mard as shoite and couldn't rough up my 3 year old grandson. He couldn't enforce in an old folks home. You enjoy the present its hard if not impossible to defend our pack but don't bring in mard lard as some sort of tough enforcer for us to aspire to.
Questions for you - can you advise of any footage at anytime where he actually goes on the cobbles with any player in any match? Peacock, Skerrett, McTigue, Karailius and many many more could put someone on their arris and were proper enforcers who would make mard lard brown his kecks just by looking at him.
Enjoy your season and your probable forthcoming success but don't try and big up the type of player ie ten minute per session players who are slowly killing my love of what was an eighty minute game but has become a "squad" game of average joes who put in a split 20 or 30 minute shift.
I look forward to viewing the you tube footage of mard lard actually on the cobbles having a one to one toe to toe set to that you will undoubtedly be sending to me.

I put all this squarely on the shoulders of SW.

In 2009 that IL said We want success now. Success now is Australian coaches," '"

I can fully accept tonight we lost and were poor. I can just about accept the manner in which we were beaten. I can even live with the tactics in regards to our props, the deficiencies there and throughout the team. I even want Wane to stay, but what I simply cannot accept is Wane's continual inability after such performances to publicly admit our failings, he seems beyond reproach. I want an acknowledgment our pack isn't big enough, or doing enough hard yards and that our attack whilst predictable isn't clicking at all. At least admit we have an issue with attack which we are trying to rectify (no shame in that) and are perservering with rather than spouting the same old rubbish after each loss that the ref was soft, that wasn't Wigan, too many errors, we were out fought or out enthused. If he admitted the truth that there are serious issues we are trying to rectify he might gain a modicum of respect and understanding.

You're certainly not the Wigan of old that's for sure........but I never expected to troll your Board to view a post like this !!!