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| Quote: Wigg'n "But you can't drop kids because it ruins their confidence, right?'"
All players are droppable regardless of age if there is someone better in the squad.
Joe and Dom are/ were on their last respective displays showing the kind if form that we have not seen from Josh in over a season and a half.
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| Quote: warrior24 "Hampshire at full back doesn't work and dropping Bowen will just dent his confidence even more.'"
What confidence?
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| Quote: Bluenosewarrior "What confidence?'"
Refarding Josh and his loss of form, he hasn't had any form since Sam left. His Twitter statement doesn't help his cause, I don't know if it's still the same? full time farmer part time rugby player, I bet that went down well!
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| Our right side needs swapping round with bateman at centre and tomkins at second row,bateman is more nimble in defence and therefore wouldnt get stood up as easily but its all down to wanes stuborness
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| Can someone tell me the last time that Manfredi played fullback at any level?
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Can someone tell me the last time that Manfredi played fullback at any level?'"
Same could be said for Hampshire but it was decided he was going to play FB.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "Have to disagree.
For me it's another one of those double standard moments from SW.
Charnley is out of form but he's also had a significant number of injuries go against him. He needs game time to pull through this patch. That's no less than what Budgie got at the start of the season when he was off the boil. Lockers, whilst not as bad as Charnley, hasn't ripped up trees since his return. It's understood that he needs time to find form but the same isn't offered to Charnley.
Williams & Smith have down right stunk at points this season but both seem immune from SW axe?
Hampshire had a bad night in Catalan and was rightfully dropped for the Leeds game- will SW now do the same for Bowen who gifted Saints two tries last week?
Wane has his favourites who are undoubtedly treated differently to others in the squad.'"
Hampshire didn't play in Catalan.
Quote: sergeant pepper "If you read Charnley's M.E.N column he was quite clearly called into Wane's office and given a telling off for the Saints game and think that is totally unjustified. Sarge made a mess of it ending up throwing a stupid pass (if its what I think it is for) and I think Charnley has carried the can.
If so this is wrong. Not only was it not his fault this isn't being dropped for loss of form but is scapegoating by Wane and he's gone for the wrong player anyway (not that he should be going for any one player - the [iteam[/i was poor).
Here is the linkhttps://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/wigan-warriors-career-crossroads-admits-9470925rl
He's got no centre and from that in my view is the only player to suffer for the loss v Saints. I think Wane is doing a fine job of alienating the player and destroying what confidence he has left.
This should have been a "redeem yourself week" selection-wise in my view not one to drop a single player (for something not his fault) because the entire team was rubbish the week before.'"
What makes you think that Charnley was the only one called into Wanes office this week, or in the past few weeks?
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| On the Wigan site it says that Josh has scored 137 tries in 133 games for the club.
Now he thinks his career with Wigan is at a crossroads?
Who in hells name has made him feel like that?
We have three great wingmen and one is leaving at the season's end. Of the two remaining one feels that his career at Wigan is at the crossroads? Well someone should have pointed him in the right direction a very long time before now.
He's had injuries, hardly had a pass these past few weeks. He got two passes at Hudds and scored two tries.
If the club want the best from Charnley perhaps they should try and change his inside man as Joel as hard as he tries is never a centre. We're playing Salford, Josh at centre to Manfredi would be a risk but not one that should put the result in danger.
Poor decision to drop him from the 19 in view of the way the Saints game ended in such a shambles.
I suppose for the Salford game we're back to same old, same old which will be repeated the following week.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Hampshire didn't play in Catalan.
What makes you think that Charnley was the only one called into Wanes office this week, or in the past few weeks?'"
My mistake he played against Hull KR and then was dropped for Catalan. Same argument applies regardless of if i got the games right or wrong.
I'm sure others were called into Wane's office as well. It just appears at this moment in time Charnley is the only who has been dropped which is wrong imo.
For me it's another example of how out of his depth Wane is as a coach.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "Quote: sergeant pepper "Hampshire didn't play in Catalan.
What makes you think that Charnley was the only one called into Wanes office this week, or in the past few weeks?'"
My mistake he played against Hull KR and then was dropped for Catalan. Same argument applies regardless of if i got the games right or wrong.
I'm sure others were called into Wane's office as well. It just appears at this moment in time Charnley is the only who has been dropped which is wrong imo.
For me it's another example of how out of his depth Wane is as a coach.'"
No issue with the decision personally, I thought Charnley was poor to non existent on Friday. If Manfredi is fit it's an easy choice.
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| Quote: OJ "It's true that Josh hasn't scored as many tries as we are used to recently but that may just have something to do with the fact that he's not been passed the blasted ball. Sounds like he is being singled out for the loss to Saints and God knows why - totally out of order unless whoever wrote the article hasn't told the full story. One things for certain there wouldn't be any shortage of clubs happy to have him on their books if our management have a brain storm. Not happy'"
People read what they want to read with articles like that. There's no way Josh is suggesting he was "singled out" for the Saints game. He was probably one of many who was dragged into SWs office for similar chats, but JC isn't going to air that in a newspaper column is he. The fact is on his day Josh is a world class winger, but we haven't seen that sort of form consistently for over 2 years. He's being dropped because there is an adequate replacement in Manfredi who has done everything asked of him and more when he's played, to the point where he has earned his place. That isn't the case for other players in the squad (who would replace Sarg for example if he were to be dropped.
Injuries have played a part in Charnley's loss of form, but he looks heavy, sluggish and unfocused recently. His social media pages are covered in jollies down to London with some of his other enterprises and he's constantly putting pictures of fast food on, maybe this will be the kick up the backside he needs to get him to concentrate on his rugby.
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| Charnely has been a shadow of the player we know he can be since Carney made him look a fool at Cas and then he got the injury. He is way behind Burgess and Manfredi in terms of form wingers this season and there's no way Manfredi deserves to have to wait for his chance against given his form and Charnley's.
Josh needs to remember he's a rugby league player and go and find his mojo rather than the self-indulgent "crossroads" excrement in the press.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "What makes you think that Charnley was the only one called into Wanes office this week, or in the past few weeks?'"
Why does that matter one way or the other? It's clear he has been and equally clear he's the only player dropped after the Saints loss.
It's all right dragging players into Wane's office if the treatment is the same for them all. Was Sarge who was worse than him in terms of crucial mistakes dragged in? No idea but he's still playing this week.
If players think they are unjustifiably being singled out it only needs to happen to a few and Wane will lose the dressing room.
Actually I think the whole idea of being called to his office is pretty childish when clearly the players know what it's for. It's like being dragged before the headmaster for the cane!
That M.E.N article is a rare glimpse behind the scenes at Wigan and I don't think it paints a healthy picture.
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| Quote: DaveO "Why does that matter one way or the other? It's clear he has been and equally clear he's the only player dropped after the Saints loss.
It's all right dragging players into Wane's office if the treatment is the same for them all. Was Sarge who was worse than him in terms of crucial mistakes dragged in? No idea but he's still playing this week.
If players think they are unjustifiably being singled out it only needs to happen to a few and Wane will lose the dressing room.
Actually I think the whole idea of being called to his office is pretty childish when clearly the players know what it's for. It's like being dragged before the headmaster for the cane!
That M.E.N article is a rare glimpse behind the scenes at Wigan and I don't think it paints a healthy picture.'"
Might have known you'd be allover this. No way on this Earth would JC put in the paper, me and X and Y and Z were called in because of our bad performances. The whole article, which I agree with WLA it is self-indulgent, is about him questioning his own performances of late, and rightly so. I can guarantee at least a handful of players will have had similar conversations.
You can't completely overhaul the team because of one bad performance, but in the case of JC when Manfredi is in reserve and was in such good form prior to his injury, he's got to drop out. Sarg is one player who is lucky in this respect, we've got 2 centres on the treatment table and we're already playing a forward as a centre at the minute. The only way he could drop out is if we take a chance on Gildart or start moving people out of position.
As far as the team for Friday goes, Manfredi in for Josh and Hampshire in for Bowen would be the only changes I'd make.
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| Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "Might have known you'd be allover this. No way on this Earth would JC put in the paper, me and X and Y and Z were called in because of our bad performances. The whole article, which I agree with WLA it is self-indulgent, is about him questioning his own performances of late, and rightly so. I can guarantee at least a handful of players will have had similar conversations.
You can't completely overhaul the team because of one bad performance, but in the case of JC when Manfredi is in reserve and was in such good form prior to his injury, he's got to drop out. Sarg is one player who is lucky in this respect, we've got 2 centres on the treatment table and we're already playing a forward as a centre at the minute. The only way he could drop out is if we take a chance on Gildart or start moving people out of position.
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Might have known you 'd say "Might have known you'd be allover this. ".
Whatever.
I would not expect him to name names. I could however expect him to say "several players were called in, me included" or "I wasn't the only one but...".
He didn't so concluding he was the one up before the beak isn't so far fetched is it?
But it doesn't matter if he was one of several or not. He took the slagging off v Leeds and Hall on the chin but I think you'd have to be a bit naive to think he thinks he was justifiably on the receiving end here.
I also think he has got the blame for Sarge's error and the fact we can't drop Sarge doesn't mean we drop Josh just because we can.
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