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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Very impressed with Leigh. Played some expansive rugby, not easy in those conditions. There was a period in the second half when you couldn't get out of your own twenty when Wigan should have scored two or three but bombed the chances. I was surprised that you ended the game so strongly.
You deserved the win in the end. Must be favourites for the Super League next year. I would fancy your chances against many Super League sides after the performance in the Cup at Leeds and I would have thought that Wakey in particular, would be very worried.'"
Fully agree with all that. A strong pack, and I liked the look of your halves, too.
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27588.gif "Games as big as a grand finals define individuals and clubs. Remember we are only renting these shirts, I had my time in Pat Richards shirt. Ellery and Faz had there time in Sean's, Hampo and Radders in Sam's. You have to make a mark in these shirts that's still there the day you hand it over to someone else. So be aware for 80 minutes you are not only playing but also writing history and creating a legacy. How many people get to actually write history, not many. A big stage demands big players, be inspired. You play for Wigan, now go do it. Good luck." - Martin Offiah, 2010.:27588.gif |
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| The more I watch Rocky play fullback the more I think he's wasted. He's so much better attacking the line at stand off as shown yesterday that injection of pace causes havoc. He's not the tallest either so struggles under the high ball
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Very impressed with Leigh. Played some expansive rugby, not easy in those conditions. There was a period in the second half when you couldn't get out of your own twenty when Wigan should have scored two or three but bombed the chances. I was surprised that you ended the game so strongly.
You deserved the win in the end. Must be favourites for the Super League next year. I would fancy your chances against many Super League sides after the performance in the Cup at Leeds and I would have thought that Wakey in particular, would be very worried.'"
We were our own worst enemy at times early in that 2 nd half, not sure we completed a set for 20 minutes with some daft plays ( running into touch 3 times, not to mention Penkys missed touchline kick )
Having said that your kids did inject some pace which caught us out at times, and much as I dont like Mr Wane, he should be congratulated for following your policy of blooding kids
A good game
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| Williams has the number 6 shirt but form will tell if he gets the number 6 place.
At times Hampshire looked devastating at stand off against a very decent Leigh outfit.
With Bowen and Burgess leaving end of this season I'd try Tierney at fb to see how he goes before moving Sarginson there. LT did fine when he played there v Hull and scored a great try.
Thornley won't be back for a while so I'd leave Sargy at 4 as he was a revelation in the Four nations playing there.
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| Quote: goobervision "That's a brave view at this point, I do see some greatness there but I'm waiting to see him get more game time this year.'"
Goobervision.
Point taken, in hindsight maybe I should have said 'potentially the best talent I have seen since Murphy'.
But it is not often you see a player with a searing pace coupled with a rugby brain, maybe ones head is turned with the prospect of what could be with the right handling.
And that is not trying to put him in a position that he is not used to whilst expecting the lad to adjust to first team Rugby.
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| Quote: Father Ted "Williams has the number 6 shirt but form will tell if he gets the number 6 place.
At times Hampshire looked devastating at stand off against a very decent Leigh outfit.
With Bowen and Burgess leaving end of this season I'd try Tierney at fb to see how he goes before moving Sarginson there. LT did fine when he played there v Hull and scored a great try.
Thornley won't be back for a while so I'd leave Sargy at 4 as he was a revelation in the Four nations playing there.'"
Why would you move Sarginson to FB when he's just started to make an impact at Centre (a position that's incredibly weak in SL)?
We must be able to find another FB from somewhere.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: P-J "Why would you move Sarginson to FB when he's just started to make an impact at Centre (a position that's incredibly weak in SL)?
We must be able to find another FB from somewhere.'"
Manfredi, after the way he caught that bomb, then again , I'm better than Bowen
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| Quote: stillinthepast "
But it is not often you see a player with a searing pace coupled with a rugby brain, maybe ones head is turned with the prospect of what could be with the right handling'"
Unfortunately, the better this kid is, the more likely the NRL or yawnion will be doing the handling.
Hope I'm wrong, he looks a phenomenal prospect from what little I've seen of him.
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| That pace of the mark around the middle of the pitch could be devastating this year if he's used at stand off. He doesn't look as dangerous running on the end of those wide plays and teams seem to read him that bit easier.
It's not just his running game I like at Stand off either, he's got a good passing game and really looks to boss the team about. Show him half a gap though and he's gone!
I'm a big Williams fan but Hampshire could take the league by storm this year at 6 if he's given the chance.
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| Quote: P-J "Why would you move Sarginson to FB when he's just started to make an impact at Centre (a position that's incredibly weak in SL)?
We must be able to find another FB from somewhere.'"
When Bowen isn't available I would move Burgess to fullback, he is very good under the high ball and could be devastating in attack.
He is supposed to be going to the NRL at the end of the season so it wouldn't hinder his development as a winger for Wigan and it would give Manfredi much needed game time instead of only getting a game when Charnley or Burgess are out injured.
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| I worry the coaching staff trying to find the right positions for players are harming the development of certain young talent.
For example Jack Hughes, a SR forward who breaks into the team as a SR, then he's told he's going to play centre, even given the number 4 shirt. Then when HH is injured he's moved back into SR, Thornley replaces Jack in the centres, HH comes back and Jack is pushed out of the team not knowing if he's a SR or centre.
Then Sam Powell, a 6/7 comes through as a 6/7, plays an excellent game v NZW rolls his ankle and is brought back primarily as a cover 9 for McM, now is a half or a 9, this chopping and changing might be ok for senior players who know the game but for development a player needs time not only to adjust to SL but to that position, I worry his development might cost him.
Hampshire is now the same 1 or a 6?
Just wait, groomed as a 1. Bowen leaves, Sam returns early and Rocky is out.
Additionally I can't help but think Williams has the 6 shirt by default as both Hampshire and Powell missed a lot of game time last year due to injury not ability; if they would have remained fit it maybe we'd be starting with a different 6.
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "I worry the coaching staff trying to find the right positions for players are harming the development of certain young talent.
For example Jack Hughes, a SR forward who breaks into the team as a SR, then he's told he's going to play centre, even given the number 4 shirt. Then when HH is injured he's moved back into SR, Thornley replaces Jack in the centres, HH comes back and Jack is pushed out of the team not knowing if he's a SR or centre.
Then Sam Powell, a 6/7 comes through as a 6/7, plays an excellent game v NZW rolls his ankle and is brought back primarily as a cover 9 for McM, now is a half or a 9, this chopping and changing might be ok for senior players who know the game but for development a player needs time not only to adjust to SL but to that position, I worry his development might cost him.
Hampshire is now the same 1 or a 6?
Just wait, groomed as a 1. Bowen leaves, Sam returns early and Rocky is out.
Additionally I can't help but think Williams has the 6 shirt by default as both Hampshire and Powell missed a lot of game time last year due to injury not ability; if they would have remained fit it maybe we'd be starting with a different 6.'"
Spot on, it's almost the 'in thing' putting players into positions that they've never played. It started with Sam who, whilst being an undoubted success, i would still prefer to see @ 6. World Class 1's come around quite often but world class 6's are once in a generation. I still don't for a second doubt that Sam could have been the greatest GB stand off of the last 20 + years.
FWIW, and i've held this opinion for a while, i don't think any of our options at 6 are good enough for next season. I think it takes more than a season to really establish yourself in the first team and get to a point where you can impose yourself on the side. None of our 6's are currently in that position.
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| Noticed that in Shaun's post Leigh match brief he mentioned "Rocky went well in the halves".
He did and was very dangerous too. SW didn't of course mention how he went at FB. For those who've insisted on here that Hampshire is a 6 then the Leigh game went a long way to confirm that.
As there aren't many (any) English SL halves with real pace Ryan H could make a name for himself at stand off if given the game time.
He must be the fastest half back in SL and that has to help a great deal.
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| Whilst I do agree with most of the views expressed on this topic. Rugby League has many great examples of players switching positions, Ellery Hanley played from Wing to Loose Forward. It's not Union where each position has a defined role. League allows players to switch positions much easier. The best example I can think of is the great Don Fox who started out as a scrum half and ended up playing prop!!!
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| The best example I can think of is the great Don Fox who started out as a scrum half and ended up playing prop!!!'" ]
Barnsley chops and and Tetley's bitter may have had something to do with that. Cheers just a bit of fun.
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