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| Wayne Bennett seems to think you need to do your business now otherwise you miss out on the top talent, his reasoning behind the Beua Scott signing.
Couple this with the likelihood of us losing both halfbacks in 2013 then you can understand the urgency. It was a gamble that didn't pay off, maybe next time he'll expose less kids to SL at once. He is still green and I'd rather he learnt lessons now than in October.
We may have lost, but Leeds proved last year that today's poor result means nothing. I'm more concerned about wane learning about all his players and moving himself and the squad forwards for Oct and then 2013.
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| Quote: Nick NJ "Wayne Bennett seems to think you need to do your business now otherwise you miss out on the top talent, his reasoning behind the Beua Scott signing.
Couple this with the likelihood of us losing both halfbacks in 2013 then you can understand the urgency. It was a gamble that didn't pay off, maybe next time he'll expose less kids to SL at once. He is still green and I'd rather he learnt lessons now than in October.
We may have lost, but Leeds proved last year that today's poor result means nothing. I'm more concerned about wane learning about all his players and moving himself and the squad forwards for Oct and then 2013.'"
Bennett is probably right but I'd bet my house on the fact Bennett has never rested five first team players at once to see if younger players at his club are good enough.
The idea Wane did this out of a sense of urgency about next years squad is crazy IMO. If he did we are in trouble!
He didn't need to drop Sam and Lockers to give Mellor a game.
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| He wanted to see how Russell and mellor went as they may be pivotal for 2013, we should be finalising plans for next years squad within the next month. It is a matter of urgency.
Yes too many kids at once doEsnt work and we've seen the evidence for this when millward was in charge of us. But let's look at the bigger picture - Leeds proved you Win nothing for finishing first in the d1ck waving contest like wire did.
Nothing changes with regards to Oct.
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| Quote: Nick NJ "He wanted to see how Russell and mellor went as they may be pivotal for 2013, we should be finalising plans for next years squad within the next month. It is a matter of urgency.'"
Well that is two players. Mellor to start as Tommy was injured and Russell on the bench to allow Sam to go to 6 and Russell to come on. Once the game was won if he really wanted to see them play at the same time he could do so. Or do it the other way letting them both start and have Sam on the bench as insurance.
Quote: Nick NJ "Yes too many kids at once doEsnt work and we've seen the evidence for this when millward was in charge of us. But let's look at the bigger picture - Leeds proved you Win nothing for finishing first in the d1ck waving contest like wire did.
Nothing changes with regards to Oct.'"
As you say too many kids never works and you are right we first saw that with Millward but I wish people would stop banging on about Leeds. What Leeds did has no relevance to what Wane did today. Sinfield played in 27 SL matches and Burrow 25 and their coach never rested five senior pros at any time. They were just off form and had some injuries early on. The fact they won it from 5th wasn't because they rested players.
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| Quote: AJ "Id keep Fielden (fitness permitting), Finch (homesick permitting), McIllorum & Lockers.
Tommy (NZ), Carmont (retire), Tuson & Marsh (not good enough), Roberts (release)
We need to recruit a quality 7 - Dureau would be the pick for me.
We do need to find out about youngsters and their potential, but doing 5 in one game, was to many, and I think that is the cause of the frustration, people can see Wane messed up today, but he didnt throw his hands up, like the honest bloke he comes across as. As long as lessons are learned, we wont suffer from today.'"
Marsh ripped right into you today and was 1 of the reasons we won lol.
We will have him to do the same again he is quality
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| The idea was spot on from Wane. I just think it would be beter suited to a home game. The hostile away atmosphere won't be easy on the youngsters. Still relatively new as a SL coach, got to be be given time. We(wire) lost at home to Salford last year. I think it's more credit to Widnes than anything else.
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| Remember it's still early in the season with everything to play for. We were devastated in losing to a team like Wigan earlier in the season but have bounced back to win every game since. Chin up lads!
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| Quote: AJ "
Tuson & Marsh (not good enough)
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I am sorry but what is that based on. Tuson was outstanding last week when he came on and is always a dependable player off the bench who does nothing wrong. We need to keep players like this.
Marsh has not once let us down in the few games he has played for us, he has good footwork and has the makings of a good centre. Im sure Wigan will be watching him closely at Widnes and at some point in the future he could be in line for a run in the team at centre just like Goulding has had this year.
In terms of who I would keep...
Marsh
Tuson
Mcillorum
OLoughlin
all british and all great squad players.
The jury is out for both Fielden and Amos. Right now I think we will give Fielden a contract and Amos will go but things can change.
Ideally I would keep Finch but if hes not happy then let him go. Hes a good player he can really pull the strings for us at times but at other times he can be a liability with knock ons and stray passes.
If Finch goes we need to line up a suitable replacement. Dureau would be great signing.
I like the look at Moon at Salford, he would be a good buy to replace Carmont.
We must by a 9 to replace Tommy in my eyes, but then they say this Carberry is good as people say he is I can see us give Mickey Mac the full reigns for a year while we bring this lad through but if we do that I am not sure 2013 will see us win any silverware, as Mcillorum is too inconsistant on attack.
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| Wane would of learnt a lot from yesterday regarding the youngsters and how far he can take it when resting a few players. Its a game we should of won but its not the end of the world. I would rather sacrifice the two points yesterday and get a good idea how some of the younger players are compared to bottom end super league opposition and in the process improve our chances of having our best team on the field come play off times.
Some Wiganers need to realise the competition has changed. The full steam ahead in every match system is not the best way of winning this championship anymore. We need to move with the times if we want to keep picking up trophies.
Im more dissapointed with the fact some of our younger guys werent up to beating Widnes.
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| Quote: AJ "Id keep Fielden (fitness permitting), Finch (homesick permitting), McIllorum & Lockers.
Tommy (NZ), Carmont (retire), Tuson & Marsh (not good enough), Roberts (release)
We need to recruit a quality 7 - Dureau would be the pick for me.
We do need to find out about youngsters and their potential, but doing 5 in one game, was to many, and I think that is the cause of the frustration, people can see Wane messed up today, but he didnt throw his hands up, like the honest bloke he comes across as. As long as lessons are learned, we wont suffer from today.'"
Keep Fielden....are you feeling ok?
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| He had the right idea but should have had a plan B. Simple as that.
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| Quote: Wandering Warrior "Wane would of learnt a lot from yesterday regarding the youngsters and how far he can take it when resting a few players. Its a game we should of won but its not the end of the world. I would rather sacrifice the two points yesterday and get a good idea how some of the younger players are compared to bottom end super league opposition and in the process improve our chances of having our best team on the field come play off times.
Some Wiganers need to realise the competition has changed. The full steam ahead in every match system is not the best way of winning this championship anymore. We need to move with the times if we want to keep picking up trophies.
Im more dissapointed with the fact some of our younger guys werent up to beating Widnes.'"
Exactly.
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| if wane really thinks he did the right thing to blood so manny youngsters against lower league opposition then surley he will keep the same team for our next trip to london! but im willing to bet he deosn't. it was a stupid experiment that went wrong one or two youngsters ok but five what where you thinking.
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| Quote: ABP' "He had the right idea but should have had a plan B. Simple as that.'"
I'd agree with this. Maybe Sam or Lockers on the bench or Gelling Russell on the bench to start with. That being said they did well to get into 2 leads which Widnes shouldn't have come back from. I wouldn't expect Widnes to put 19 unanswered points on Hunslet in 20 mins of rugby.
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| You lives and learns i suppose, the fans want to see us winning not having freindlies or trial games for the younger players.
Ive seen great post on another sight, stating Mcguire wanted to win every game and would be ultra professional in how he gets to that is wane saying Wigan are prepared to not to do it this way and moving away from this ultra professional winning attitude
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