FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > IL's Mistakes
80 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7574No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2013Feb 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
17903_1300914398.jpg
[color=#FF0000:1a02isux][b:1a02isux]IN A WARRIORS CODE THERE'S NO SURRENDER....THOUGH HIS BODY SAYS STOP, HIS SPIRIT CRY'S NEVER!!!![/b:1a02isux][/color:1a02isux]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_17903.jpg



Quote: MattyB "You nickmanator by any chance?


Hes not really a master of disguise old nicky boy his he icon_lol.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1261No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2013Apr 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
28466_1318102772.jpg
[img:8wo838n1]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r102/marcysel/wigan1-1.jpg[/img:8wo838n1] Wigan RLFC since 1984:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_28466.jpg



why are numbers 1,2,3,5,6 deemed to be 'mistakes'? Maybe upon a personal level but not that of a collective surely?

RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
26.jpg
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18:26.jpg

Moderator


I voted for not sorting the pack out v the backs.

I think this can fairly be laid at his door because he was quoted as saying early on we had enough props at the club so would not be recruiting any and he wanted a speedy winger. That and simply signing Roberts a year early and also adding Phelps and Smith was "fixing" the part of the team that needed least fixing IMO and I think IL was the major player here.

However I'd also like to vote for extending Nobles contract as well because he extended the contract of a coach who can't coach the sort of side he has got here at Wigan i.e. one with a poor pack.

Dave

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner20348No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
5733_1599791508.jpeg
Unofficially the most boring poster on Cherry and White.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_5733.jpeg



I have no idea why the stadium fiacsco, ignoring the weakness in the pack, or signing gleeson could be attributed to IL as mistakes.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member20422
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

[b:1br14l5m][color=#800000:1br14l5m]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS 2017 & 2024 SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1998, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2018 & 2023 CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024 LEAGUE LEADERS CHAMPIONS 2010, 2012, 2020, 2023 & 2024 ACADEMY GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 & 2019 WOMEN’S GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2018 BEST SUPPORTED CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010, 2011 & 2012 CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010 & 2012 [/color:1br14l5m][/b:1br14l5m]:



Quote: jonh "I have no idea why the stadium fiacsco, ignoring the weakness in the pack, or signing gleeson could be attributed to IL as mistakes.'"



IL has faced critcism on here for all three reasons above.

IIRC DaveO voiced his concerns re: Gleeson signing.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3614No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2018Nov 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



I think IL gets some seriously undue stick on here, he couldnt have done anything about the stadium fiasco, thats the bottom line. If he'd have come out and said stuff in the press surely it would just have meant it was more likely to happen again in the future.


As for not signing another prop, i suppose you have to think about the salary cap, if managed properly you'll have a certain amount for the backs, certain amount for the forwards, and when you consider we have 5 props (who all are good enough for first team in theory) that will already take up a massive chunk of the salary cap that then would have needed to be taken from somewhere else. If fielden wasn't such a pansy, we would be near the top, i genuinely believe that, we'd have someone leading from the front and a bit of strength. It's not lenegans fault that the best prop in the world has decided he's gonna soil himself when faced with anyone running towards him.


I think a huge amount of work has been done in taking the club away from being a Wigan Latics subsidary and back to being Wigan RL who can support itself from it's own revenue, restructuring the personnel to actually be able to manage the club and generally sorting out the whelan created by turning it into a branch of latics.


Lenegan, keep it up (just sack noble next week though icon_lol.gif )



p.s shouldnt votes 5 + 6 be more attributed to noble than lenegan?

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner20348No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
5733_1599791508.jpeg
Unofficially the most boring poster on Cherry and White.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_5733.jpeg



Quote: MattyB "IL has faced critcism on here for all three reasons above.

IIRC DaveO voiced his concerns re

But how are they down to him?

Stadium Fiasco? Do people expect him to buy the stadium on top of the club? He is no mug he would not have earned the cash he has if he were, so why think he could have got the stadium rights in the deal is beyond me.

Regards signings-it has been widley publicised IL and BN meet 4 times a year to decide on a recruitment policy, so how is the recruitment of backs over forwards down to IL, he may have a part in it but clearly he must be advised by his coaches. It is clear BN was reluctant to throw Tomkins and Ainscough in and signed accordingly.

Gleeson-if signing the most gifted British centre of his generation is a bad thing i wonder that people want from the club.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member20422
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

[b:1br14l5m][color=#800000:1br14l5m]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS 2017 & 2024 SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1998, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2018 & 2023 CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024 LEAGUE LEADERS CHAMPIONS 2010, 2012, 2020, 2023 & 2024 ACADEMY GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 & 2019 WOMEN’S GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2018 BEST SUPPORTED CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010, 2011 & 2012 CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010 & 2012 [/color:1br14l5m][/b:1br14l5m]:



Quote: inside_man "I think IL gets some seriously undue stick on here, he couldnt have done anything about the stadium fiasco, thats the bottom line. If he'd have come out and said stuff in the press surely it would just have meant it was more likely to happen again in the future.


As for not signing another prop, i suppose you have to think about the salary cap, if managed properly you'll have a certain amount for the backs, certain amount for the forwards, and when you consider we have 5 props (who all are good enough for first team in theory) that will already take up a massive chunk of the salary cap that then would have needed to be taken from somewhere else. If fielden wasn't such a pansy, we would be near the top, i genuinely believe that, we'd have someone leading from the front and a bit of strength. It's not lenegans fault that the best prop in the world has decided he's gonna soil himself when faced with anyone running towards him.


I think a huge amount of work has been done in taking the club away from being a Wigan Latics subsidary and back to being Wigan RL who can support itself from it's own revenue, restructuring the personnel to actually be able to manage the club and generally sorting out the poop whelan created by turning it into a branch of latics.


Lenegan, keep it up (just sack noble next week though

I agree with a lot of what you have said there, but like it or not IL has had a fair amount of stick on here (unfairly you may say). Re: The stadium, okay the playoff issue was unavoidable, but the Good Friday game should have been sorted last summer with DW. Re: Vote 5 - well 40% disagree with you, thats why it's open to debate, hence that's why its included.
Vote 6 - A high transfer fee was paid (and it didn't come out of Noble's pocket).

RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
26.jpg
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18:26.jpg

Moderator


Quote: MattyB "
IIRC DaveO voiced his concerns re

I didn't realise my opinion carried so much weight icon_wink.gif

I voiced my concerns over Goulding going the other way. Once he wasn't part of the deal, no problem.

Dave

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3928No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2011Jul 2011LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
31169_1279106093.jpg
[size=90:3ev0269q][color=black:3ev0269q] 3 World Club Challenges [/color:3ev0269q][/size:3ev0269q] [size=90:3ev0269q][color=black:3ev0269q] 19 League Titles [/color:3ev0269q][/size:3ev0269q] [size=90:3ev0269q][color=black:3ev0269q] 17 Challenge Cup wins [/color:3ev0269q][/size:3ev0269q] [size=90:3ev0269q][color=black:3ev0269q] ONE CLUB[/color:3ev0269q][/size:3ev0269q] [size=100:3ev0269q][color=red:3ev0269q][b:3ev0269q]WIGAN RLFC[/b:3ev0269q][/color:3ev0269q][/size:3ev0269q]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_31169.jpg



Gotta say i'm happy with the way things are going under IL;

Mick Hogan has been a quality appointment,
We managed to get Gleeson AND send Mathers to Wire,
The accelerator squad shows increased attention to youth development
Fans forum has given fans access they've never had before
Richards & Tommy signed up
IL has finally started to spread the wealth and we have the makings of a good squad with depth which we haven’t had in years
Best home kit in years imo.

I’m not saying it’s been all good but when I look back to the times under Whelan I’m glad we’ve not got a kn0b in charge anymore.

It’s a massive task taking us back to the top again and I’m sure we’re moving in the right direction under him.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach7769
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg
Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock "I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count" [quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote] Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!" I thanked him and went on my Merry way! RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015! "The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth." Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: thepriestman85 "Gotta say i'm happy with the way things are going under IL;

Mick Hogan has been a quality appointment,
We managed to get Gleeson AND send Mathers to Wire,
The accelerator squad shows increased attention to youth development
Fans forum has given fans access they've never had before
Richards & Tommy signed up
IL has finally started to spread the wealth and we have the makings of a good squad with depth which we haven’t had in years
Best home kit in years imo.

I’m not saying it’s been all good but when I look back to the times under Whelan I’m glad we’ve not got a kn0b in charge anymore.

It’s a massive task taking us back to the top again and I’m sure we’re moving in the right direction under him.'"


Please see my "Turning the Ship around" Thread!

Please show me ANy Chairman or Club that Hasn't made mistakes!

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member20422
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

[b:1br14l5m][color=#800000:1br14l5m]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS 2017 & 2024 SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1998, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2018 & 2023 CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024 LEAGUE LEADERS CHAMPIONS 2010, 2012, 2020, 2023 & 2024 ACADEMY GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 & 2019 WOMEN’S GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2018 BEST SUPPORTED CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010, 2011 & 2012 CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010 & 2012 [/color:1br14l5m][/b:1br14l5m]:



Quote: jonh "Regards signings-it has been widley publicised IL and BN meet 4 times a year to decide on a recruitment policy, so how is the recruitment of backs over forwards down to IL, he may have a part in it but clearly he must be advised by his coaches. It is clear BN was reluctant to throw Tomkins and Ainscough in and signed accordingly.
'"


Well 39% disagree with you there. icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach29632
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10919_1322084665.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10919.jpg



Quote: Jukesays "
Please show me ANy Chairman or Club that Hasn't made mistakes!'"


Exactly.

For every negative under Lenagans ownership theirs been plenty of positives and he's doing a fine job.

I had my doubts about him not wanting to splash out on big name players but the signing of Gleeson involving a transfer fee proved he'll pay for the right quality.

I'm happy with how things have gone since he's been here especially when you consider the mess the club was in when he took over.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner3525No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2018Sep 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
7007.jpg
[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



Quote: jonh "I have no idea why the stadium fiacsco, ignoring the weakness in the pack, or signing gleeson could be attributed to IL as mistakes.'"


The stadium fiasco was a mistake because when buying the club he failed to secure adequate rights to play at the JJB and failed to warn the supporters in advance that this kind of thing could happen.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach7769
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg
Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock "I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count" [quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote] Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!" I thanked him and went on my Merry way! RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015! "The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth." Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: MattyB "Well 39% disagree with you there.
Darrell Goulding Registered on here then is he??

80 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps
80 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.3017578125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
HU8HFC
55
7m
Rumours thread
Wollo-Wollo-
2229
8m
Recruitment rumours and links
Barbed Wire
3074
14m
TV Games - Not Hull
hull2524
2744
18m
Round 26 Wigan Away
Sir Gregory
146
22m
Accounts
the fax in a
119
23m
Round 27 HKR Away
Trebor1
12
29m
Remember in 2017
Scarlet Pimp
7
35m
Off Contract 2025
Sir Gregory
23
36m
Film game
karetaker
3740
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
20s
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
20s
TV Games - Not Hull
hull2524
2744
27s
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28754
27s
Remember in 2017
Scarlet Pimp
7
35s
Recruitment rumours and links
Barbed Wire
3074
40s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62457
40s
York City Knights home
Dr Dreadnoug
51
44s
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
101
45s
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
47s
Squad for London
Winslade's O
31
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
FOREVERTRIN
6
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
Deadcowboys1
2
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
Trebor1
12
TODAY
Squad for London
Winslade's O
31
TODAY
Hull FC preview
Hessle Roade
2
TODAY
Halifax A
Wigan Bull
4
TODAY
East stand
PopTart
12
TODAY
Locations of League
Wollo-Wollo-
1
TODAY
Matt Parcell to leave at seasons end
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Huddersfiels to get new stadium
RobRiches
2
TODAY
IMG
rubber ducki
5
TODAY
Leaving players
Murphy
1
TODAY
bulls on Sunday
Ilkley Fax
22
TODAY
Concerts at Stadiums
Fantastic Mr
11
TODAY
Finn out Murrell in
faxcar
11
TODAY
Playoff Semi Final
MattyB
3
TODAY
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Highlander
20
TODAY
Shareholders Meeting
Scarlet Pimp
36
TODAY
James Clark
Jake the Peg
6
TODAY
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
HU8HFC
55
TODAY
Realistic targets for 2025
the cal trai
31
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 27
ducknumber1
33
TODAY
Club Statement
UllFC
49
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
204
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
853
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
620
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
740
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
770
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1082
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1015
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1123
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1100
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1129
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1500
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1455
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1593
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1514
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1701