Perhaps when we get some decent backs, Davis just puts his head down and barges, Gildart runs down blind alleys and never seems to want to pass these days - for all the criticism that he gets about his defense at least Marshall can actually beat someone. Williams is limited and Powell does not create anything, we missed Sam massively today to act as a link. Teams have worked out the left side shift and drop off to Farrell and that just about negates any attacking threat as nothing happens down the right.

Second half Joel started playing more off the cuff and started being a major threat, he certainly created more on his own that our halves did whole game. Perhaps someone should explain the concepts of dummy runners and lining up at depth - basics which the team seem to have forgotten.

No point you watching Wigan again then, after rubbishing most of our backline???? I trust waney to get it right!!!!! Do you?????

Hopefully Edwards will sort it out next season

I used to trust him but lately (last season especially even injuries permitting and this as well to some extent) I am getting frustrated - we have talented backs but they are not playing to their full potential, look at the way the Saints wingers made yards/breaks against us, our backs looked slow and lost at times. The talent is there but the style of play does not allow them to show it - they never seem to have space. We missed Sam yesterday big time as no one was creating anything from half back and Escare was clearly not fully fit.

Bateman is obviously not a centre (but needs must for now but will Sarge be much better - time will tell) but for me Gildart has gone backwards for some reason - he does not look anywhere near the level he did previously (but again is it just a case of tactics for him to drive the ball in like a forward when he clearly is nowhere near big enough for that role - he is a runner but if no one puts him in space.....). There is a lack of creativity from half back, even Lockers does not seem to create things like he used to.

The worrying thing is these are issues that have been obvious for quite some time - this season has started a little better but the worry is against good teams who deny us space we look lost and struggle to break them down.

I have supported Wigan through everything since the late 60s / early 70s (even relegation etc) when the team has had some awful teams at times (and great ones as well) and will continue to do so - but that does not mean I will not voice my opinion.

A simple yes or no would have done..

I'm in the neither yes / no camp at the moment

It’s no surprise that since Harris & Deacon left without being properly replaced our attack has took a steady nose dive into the drivel we see most weeks now.

There’s times when Williams has to take a drive in because the other 12 are running around with their heads up their backsides. That’s down to poor organisation by the halves. Our props make next to no ground going forward and for the millionth time this FB-HB-Hooker switch is utterly dismal.

I don’t deny that SW is a good motivator and he’s well liked by the players and has huge respect at the club but he isn’t bigger than it. He clearly has no clue in attack and his game plan on GF was to smash them in the first 15mins and see what happens. As stated above we played well for around 10-15mins in total and Saints dominated the rest, only being kept out through good defence.

I really think IL (at the end of the season) needs to seriously consider the squad that SW has assembled, the direction he’s going, the game plan he employs and the coaches he’s brought in and consider whether SW’s time as Head Coach is up. Sentiment shouldn’t be a reason to retain a Head Coach; Cunningham at St Helens is perfect example of this. He was moved on for the better of the club and they improved dramatically after it.

I'm hardly Wane's biggest fan, but even I can see it would be madness to get rid of him when we are 2nd in the league. No comparison to Cunningham at all

And we've scored the most tries in super league despite playing fewer games than all but Cas i think.

I find the degree to which Wane is criticised baffling. You have to be willingly blind to the positives to think they are outweighed by our attack being different to Saints or wanting our props to fall over. Especially given the disruption in the Saints game.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not comparing us now to Saints under Cunningham and where they were. Two different situations. What I was saying is when it comes to the club, we shouldn’t and can’t afford to put sentiment first. The interests of the club come before any individual, despite what they may have done for it achieved at the club.

True. And the same goes for the fans. I'm sure you think your ideas are in the best interests of the club but there's currently nothing to support that theory. SW has numerous trophies in the bank and currently has us sat nicely in the table playing some of the best rugby we've seen at Wigan in quite some time.

Just out of interest what makes you think your suggestion has any more validity than SW's assertion that his way is correct;something he can back up, not only with years of consistently competing for and winning trophies, but with how things are progressing this year too?

I was as scathing as anybody about Wanes crazy comments about Hamlins leg drive the other day but nobody can question how we’re playing and call it boring at the minute (it was even less boring with Hamlin not surrendering in tackles but that debates been done). We’re the top try scorers in the league having played one less game then the Superleague, Challenge Cup and Football World Cup champions of 2018 in St Helens and some of the play has been a joy to watch.

It’s amazing what having competition for places can do.

In short - nothing. That’s why I’m posting on a forum rather than being the Head Coach or whatever.

Things are progressing well, it’s simply unfathomable to suggest otherwise however I don’t think we will remain as contenders. Against teams considered as the top teams our performances were poor, albeit the Warrington game wasn’t long after landing back from the Australia venture. We looked awesome v Hull KR but it counts for nothing if we can’t play to that standard against Saints/Leeds/Warrington/Hull.

IMHO top teams have figured out our game plan and counter act it well. We look slow and lethargic against them and don’t look like scoring. Our defence against Saints & Warrington ensured the result wasn’t a run away. Considering the teams we’ve played I’m not getting carried away with this top try scorer business, it’s a good achievement thus far granted but the season isn’t won now. It’s won in October and that result on Monday papered over the obvious cracks for me.

I’ll give Wane his due, he has done well to win what he has and in the circumstances he has. I keep harping back to it but not replacing Harris & Deacon properly is coming back to bite us on the backside. I’m not convinced whatsoever that Wane’s attacking strategy is the way forward and I find his bash ‘em up strategy to be poor.

I’m happy at seasons end if we win the league or make the Grand Final to retract all doubts. I’m not sat here wanting Wane and Wigan to fail, what I am saying is that at seasons end IL needs to take stock and decide on what is best for the club removing all sentiment that will undoubtedly and understandably remain for Wane.

To be fair, SW did state that we had modified our attacking structures to play Saints but lost the key player, Sam, just before the match and Escare hadn't trained in the FB role due to illness so all the hard work was lost. Will be interesting to watch the return match.