Sorry yes. Totally forgot. Hall in for Gardner.

Same team as mine but with 1 less player then, I wouldn't do that against the aussies

I think the main point of the team and tactics is to not try and outskill them, lets just steam roll them with a huge and experience pack.

I would go for Wigan winning the Challenge Cup over England in the World Cup. I think people would care more about the international game if we had more regular winnable games. I think it is almost 40 years since we won the Ashes or a World Cup and we are way off competing with Australia. If we had a regular competition like the RU 6 nations (with an England 'A' team in until the others became competitive enough for the full team) then I think it may help the international set up to be taken more seriously.

I assume the team is for the 4 Nations mine would be

Briscoe
Fox
Atkins
Shenton
Hall
Pryce
Burrow
Graham
Moore
Peacock
Ellis
O'Loughlin
Westerman

Morley
McCarthy-Scarsbrook
Burgess
Roby

With the likes of Mossop, S Tomkins, Eastmond and other promising youngsters being used after that to prepare them for 2013

Briscoe
hall
shenton
gleeson
gardner
pryce
burrow
peacock
moore
graham
ellis
burgess
o loughlin

morley
westwood
roby
wilkin/westerman

Maybe the likes of Eastmond, Tomkins etc could be in the squad and play some part against France. We need to blood them slowly and then by 2012 they'll be the core players and then the ones with the experience for the World Cup.

We have some cracking prospects.

Ainscough, Tomkins x2, Eastmond, Clough, Hall, Shenton, Mossop, Westerman, Burgess x3, Cooper, Myler. Not to mention Graham, Roby, Briscoe and the like who will still be around come 2013.

True but most of them have not made it yet. In 2013 Ellis and some of the other experienced ones could still be around.

Wigan winning the CC or SL for me. Our international game isn't good enough to be taken as seriously IMO, with only three sides capable of winning anything (and I include us in that very liberally) and the rest miles behind. The CC and SL are much closer than that, ok there are still the big two (Saints and Leeds) but we have a challenge cup final between the 3rd and 8th teams, showing that the mid table sides aren't that far behind them. Maybe one day the likes of PNG, France, the Samoan islands, Ireland, Scotland and Wales might make the international game more interesting, but for now it's just not credible enough.

WIGAN

Wigan by a zillion miles, for me.
Having an RL 'World Cup' is a bit of an Oxymoron really, as there's only ever going to be 3 teams seriously competing. Well, 2 if we are completely honest about it (NZ / Aus).
I just dont feel anything like the same passion when watching England / GB, as i do even when we are playing the minnows in the early rounds of the CC.
Sad state of affairs, i confess, but there you go.

No need to name a team, cos its the one we already have!

Not enough people care about the International game because its not competatvie enough. Down here after the NRL its all about Origin, alot of NRL fans arent even fully aware of the end of season 4 nations.

As much as i would England to win im even less confident than i have ever been. Its funny looking at those teams and think how many Aussies would be in front of them. I like Briscoe but he wouldnt even come close to the top 5 full backs down here.

Spot on Grimmy

Wigan every time.

Wigan without doubt.

1.Briscoe
2.Fox
3.Shenton
4.Atkins
5.Hall
6.Pryce
7.Myler
8.Morley
9.Moore
10.Peacock
11.Ellis
12.Wilkin
13.Sinfield

14.Roby
15.Burgess
16.Graham
17.Gilmour