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| Quote: DaveO "
He doesn't deserve it. I hope IL has the guts to sack him if we start next season as we did this. Starting a fourth like we have the last three is just not acceptable. Actually starting three as we have done is not good enough and reason alone to get rid never mind the way he picks the team which if I had to pick my biggest beef with him would be at the top of the list.
Dave '"
Thank God your just a internet warrior from Chester then!
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| Quote: Red Hot Jalapeno "Thank God your just a internet warrior from Chester then!'"
It is about time you grew up or stopped posting.
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| Quote: DaveO "Noble wasn't available when we signed him. Take your pick of those who would come to the UK (if you favour an NRL coach) or go aggressively after someone like Morgan. If you don't ask you don't get and we had to ask Bradford for Noble.
Noble's record here does speak for itself - not good enough.
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i Dont agree,
6 months - saved us.
1 year slow start - play offs
2 Year slow start - play offs final elimiator
3 year very slow start but didnt lose by many and now running some form up
Hes been rebuilding a team since he got here, We had oliver wilks, Jordan james,
Now i dont proclaim to know everything but im sure where in a better shape than when he took over.
Also what happens if he won the CC and GF would you still not rate him??
Would he not be good enough??
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| Quote: DJ-Warrior "i Dont agree,
6 months - saved us.
1 year slow start - play offs
2 Year slow start - play offs final elimiator
3 year very slow start but didnt lose by many and now running some form up
Hes been rebuilding a team since he got here, We had oliver wilks, Jordan james,
Now i dont proclaim to know everything but im sure where in a better shape than when he took over.
Also what happens if he won the CC and GF would you still not rate him??
Would he not be good enough??'"
You will never convince the blind ones who dont like Noble no matter how much you try.
If we won every game CC final and Superleague final some on here would still be calling for him to go
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| Quote: Andy Greg "You will never convince the blind ones who dont like Noble no matter how much you try.
If we won every game CC final and Superleague final some on here would still be calling for him to go'"
Ive started to feel like its a lost cause!
Hes still one of the best coach in superleague.
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| Quote: DJ-Warrior "Ive started to feel like its a lost cause!
Hes still one of the best coach in superleague.'"
deffo in the top dozen anyway
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| Quote: DJ-Warrior "Ive started to feel like its a lost cause!
Hes still one of the best coach in superleague.'"
He is definitely the best British coach in Superleague and i for one would love him to get another 12 just to finish the job he came here to do. I think he has worked wonders with the club since he came pity some are so blinkered they cannot see just how much he has done for the club.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: Andy Greg "He is definitely the best British coach in Superleague and i for one would love him to get another 12 just to finish the job he came here to do. I think he has worked wonders with the club since he came pity some are so blinkered they cannot see just how much he has done for the club.'"
That isn't the glowing praise you make it out to be really.
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| Quote: DJ-Warrior "i Dont agree,
6 months - saved us.'"
And bar two players it was with a squad of players he inherited.
Quote: DJ-Warrior "1 year slow start - play offs
2 Year slow start - play offs final elimiator
3 year very slow start but didnt lose by many and now running some form up'"
1st year clow start playoffs no tophies
2nd yesr slow start playoffs no trophies
3rd year very slow start - rest of season yet to come
Quote: DJ-Warrior "Hes been rebuilding a team since he got here, We had oliver wilks, Jordan james,
Now i dont proclaim to know everything but im sure where in a better shape than when he took over. '"
The team he has built over three years has yet to match the consistency of the one he inherited in 2006. The fact that team in 2006 went from poor to really very good in a short space of time with just two players added too it shows it wasn't that bad a team to start with.
Quote: DJ-Warrior "Also what happens if he won the CC and GF would you still not rate him??
Would he not be good enough??'"
I would still want him to be replaced as I think he has taken us as far as he can. I think we need a different approach to kick on from here in a similar way to how Lowe moved us on from Clarke and McInnes.
Dave
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "That isn't the glowing praise you make it out to be really.'"
It is actually i would us sooner have a British coach than an Australian i think we need to improve our own rather than keep going abroad for coaches even our national coach is not British in RL or Football and that is very sad.
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| Quote: Andy Greg "He is definitely the best British coach in Superleague and i for one would love him to get another 12 just to finish the job he came here to do. I think he has worked wonders with the club since he came pity some are so blinkered they cannot see just how much he has done for the club.'"
Many 'Noble doubters' - and I wasn't always one, but I've been forced to it this season - have given considered views as to why they're concerned about Noble continuing at Wigan.
Are you sure you want to just dismiss those views as 'blinkered' or 'blind'? Without offering a proper counter-argument, doesn't that make you a little blinkered yourself?
And I don't think comparing and contrasting to when Millward was at the club tells the full story. There is more harmony behind the scenes than there was then. Quality youngsters have now grown up, but more importantly have been awarded contracts that have kept them at the club. Improvements like that could just as easily be put down to the new chairman as to the coach. After all, he was the one who read the Riot Act last season which galvanised us into making the play-offs. Noble didn't, even though it was his job to do that.
I can't help feeling that a lot of these calls for Nobby to keep his job - which, like it or not, have only started to appear en masse since we started our recent winning run - are a product of the usual end-of-season delusion. Only winning games at the end of the year is NO GOOD to us. We need a coach who can win games throughout the year - only then will we get back to the top of the table.
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| Quote: Cruncher "Many 'Noble doubters' - and I wasn't always one, but I've been forced to it this season - have given considered views as to why they're concerned about Noble continuing at Wigan.
Are you sure you want to just dismiss those views as 'blinkered' or 'blind'? Without offering a proper counter-argument, doesn't that make you a little blinkered yourself?
And I don't think comparing and contrasting to when Millward was at the club tells the full story. There is more harmony behind the scenes than there was then. Quality youngsters have now grown up, but more importantly have been awarded contracts that have kept them at the club. Improvements like that could just as easily be put down to the new chairman as to the coach. After all, he was the one who read the Riot Act last season which galvanised us into making the play-offs. Noble didn't, even though it was his job to do that.
I can't help feeling that a lot of these calls for Nobby to keep his job - which, like it or not, have only started to appear en masse since we started our recent winning run - are a product of the usual end-of-season delusion. Only winning games at the end of the year is NO GOOD to us. We need a coach who can win games throughout the year - only then will we get back to the top of the table.'"
I have put my view forward on lots of occasions over the last 12 months. Nobles teams have always started slowly and not just at wigan and always been there or there abouts at the end of the season
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: Andy Greg "It is actually i would us sooner have a British coach than an Australian i think we need to improve our own rather than keep going abroad for coaches even our national coach is not British in RL or Football and that is very sad.'"
Just because you'd rather have a British coach (and I think we'd all rather have decent British coaches) doesn't mean that he's any good.
His competition is McDermott, Agar, McNamara, and Kear.
Kear does a good job making average teams over achieve, McDermott looks to have some potential. The other two are poor. I wouldn't take any over Potter at Saints.
I'd put Noble below McClennan (won an International competition and been back to back SL champions), Smith (turned Leeds round and seems to be doing the same at Dire), Potter (purely for his work with Catalan, we've yet to see how he deals with a big club over a period of time), Morgan and Brown (both done well at unfancied clubs).
Someone made a comment about Radlinski not making any comment about Noble, I've heard a similar story about other players. They tend to talk about certain things ex coaches did that they liked, no one seems to talk about Noble.
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "Just because you'd rather have a British coach (and I think we'd all rather have decent British coaches) doesn't mean that he's any good.
His competition is McDermott, Agar, McNamara, and Kear.
Kear does a good job making average teams over achieve, McDermott looks to have some potential. The other two are poor. I wouldn't take any over Potter at Saints.
I'd put Noble below McClennan (won an International competition and been back to back SL champions), Smith (turned Leeds round and seems to be doing the same at Dire), Potter (purely for his work with Catalan, we've yet to see how he deals with a big club over a period of time), Morgan and Brown (both done well at unfancied clubs).
Someone made a comment about Radlinski not making any comment about Noble, I've heard a similar story about other players. They tend to talk about certain things ex coaches did that they liked, no one seems to talk about Noble.'"
Noble is in the top 4 coaches in Great Britain. And from what i here out of Saints is that most of the coaching is done by the senior players not Potter band its been this way for some time.
You had very good foundations laid down with McRae and Hanley and this set up your winning culture and coaching set up on the other hand we were mismanaged for years and it takes time to sort it all out and get back on track.
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| Quote: Andy Greg "Noble is in the top 4 coaches in Great Britain.'"
I don't agree.
Quote: Andy Greg "And from what i here out of Saints is that most of the coaching is done by the senior players not Potter band its been this way for some time.'"
I must say that I doubt that, whilst they may have an input, I can't see them doing 'most of the coaching'. That kind of shambolic set up would not have been successful for so long. That sounds like the kind of crappy rumour that is spread by someone with a beef against either the club or the coach.
Quote: Andy Greg "You had very good foundations laid down with McRae and Hanley and this set up your winning culture and coaching set up on the other hand we were mismanaged for years and it takes time to sort it all out and get back on track.'"
Jeez, how far back do you want to go? They finished at Saints 10 years ago, that's plenty of time for it to be undermined by poor management and coaching.
Whilst you have been mismanaged, that has little to do with Noble's ability.
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