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| Quote: 100% Warrior "By top top Aussie you can’t mean the likes of Thurston or Cronk. Little left of their careers and wouldn’t IMHO add much to us.
To put “bums on seats” you’d be looking at a top Kiwi or Aussie. Players like Shaun Johnson, Jason Tamaulolo (sp), Andrew Fifita, Valentine Holmes, James Tedesco, Boyd Cordner, the Trbojevic brothers, Kodi Nikorima.
As good as players Thurston and Cronk are or were; I just don’t think they’d be as effective or as good over in SL at this stage of their careers and we’d be better off spending the money elsewhere. No doubt they’d be over on marquee wages and I wouldn’t have thought it to be worth it.
The reality is that list of Aussies/Kiwi’s/Tongan’s will never come over here, especially at this stage of their careers. To rely on a signing to put bums on seats is irresponsible IMHO and a sign of poor marketing.'"
your joking right?
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "By top top Aussie you can’t mean the likes of Thurston or Cronk. Little left of their careers and wouldn’t IMHO add much to us.'"
Nothing left of Thurston's playing career-he's retired!
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| Quote: Pieman "your joking right?'"
No. What would be their worth? I’m not saying they weren’t amazing players because they were, no doubting that but I don’t see the lure of signing either at their age and stage of their careers. It would be a waste of time and money.
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| Quote: Freddie Miller. "Nothing left of Thurston's playing career-he's retired!'"
Yeah...I knew that...
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| Quote: Jukesays "Crowds would increase if we let everyone in for free.
Equally unsustainable
But if we're throwing ideas out that don't require any kind of logic and long term wont work, then feel free.
Just don't be surprised if someone picks holes in those ideas.'"
I have followed this thread and have seen a lot of your valid points as true, I think Eastside has no underlying plan or idea for me what he is saying is absolutely correct. Whether its affordable to the club or not is not his point his basic flat line point is signing a top player will encourage more people to come through the door than upgrading a current player. No more no less, and he is bang right when fans aren't already coming through the door with say a Williams in the team it will not make one iota of difference his standing as marquee or not as they dont come having him already in the team. When someone like a Johnson was on the market I am sure if it was within budget (which obviously not they cant go throwing any money about) it will undoubtably bring back some stay away fans, however many you could never guarantee but more would buy season tickets on the back of that sort of signing.
We saw it at Bradford last year, dribs and drabs of season tickets sold then Kear was named as coach. Give the whole fanbase a new outlook on the season given the recent troubles and season tickets started selling more due to his signing.
I actually think Sammut will be great for you guys. His last season at Bradford in SL he was untouchable 80% of the season think he got 21 trys in 20 games. I think the debate about him is right on other sides too but Lenegan has obviously made his intentions clear which is absolutely his right given recent losses.
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| Quote: Jukesays "And signing a new name marquee Aussie isn't a guarantee that all will go well or it will bring crowds in which has been proved many times.
On previous threads people have asked who's the best players we've had in 30 years
Best prop - Andy Platt
Best 2nd row - Dennis Betts
Best halfback - Gregory and Edwards were top of the answers.
I'm sure if we went
Best full back -rads and Tomkins would be there or thereabouts
Best loose forward - farrell/lockers would be in the frame along with Hanley
Best hooker - dermott/Newton would be at the top of most people's lists.
Where do they all come from?'"
Straw man argument because you are deliberately ignoring the top class overseas players we have had over the years such as West, Botica, Bell, Dallas and Richards. All top class players who were with the club several seasons and arguably well in the mix for the best in their position. Where did they come from?
Quote: Jukesays "Do we want to risk 300ks on Tyrone Roberts, Jamie sandow, Blake Austin? Which realistically is about the top we could afford
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I bet if we had beaten Wire to Austin's signature you would not be on here slagging the club off because it was "a risk". I doubt anyone would have even thought it. From now on though I expect to see you leading the charge to do so if we ever sign such a player again
Overseas players being a risk is just today's bit of spin to excuse the club signing Sammut.
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| Quote: DaveO "Straw man argument because you are deliberately ignoring the top class overseas players we have had over the years such as West, Botica, Bell, Dallas and Richards. All top class players who were with the club several seasons and arguably well in the mix for the best in their position. Where did they come from?
I bet if we had beaten Wire to Austin's signature you would not be on here slagging the club off because it was "a risk". I doubt anyone would have even thought it. From now on though I expect to see you leading the charge to do so if we ever sign such a player again
When you say I ignored overseas signings, which bit of "Now before people start throwing gene miles/bell/Barrett/renouf or henry paul out there.
The games/cards have changed, not necessarily for the better imo but it has." Did you miss?
And explain to me how we could afford some of these "world class" overseas signings?
How much would these top class players of today cost in today's money and would we be able to compete?
Where's £650k per year for a shaun johnson coming from?
As for Austin etc. Then as you know it's a whole bigger argument.
Explain how wire have benefitted from having sandow or Roberts for the past 3 years etc.
Explain at what cost both financially and from a production line it's benifitted wire? How have their youth come through in those positions?
We're those signings risk free and what problems did it bring them off the field,?
If we do get the signature of a 300k plus overseas signing in the near future I'll assess that signing based on the facts at that point, nowhere in this thread will you find me in total agreement or disagreement of the sammut signing, I will reserve judgement (unlike so.e who seem to make a snap decision that everything an owner or coach does is wrong).
People seem to ignore that we signed Tommy leulia beginning 2017, he's given us a WCC and a super league title predominantly playing as our 7.
Once again a signing that everyone conveniently forgets when slagging the club off.
My response was more to do with the "Sign a marquee player and it will solve all our crowd and financial issues" argument.
How did FPN work out for us?
It won't and as rogues illustrated it hasn't at other club's, and it didn't for us early 2000s, the glory years of super league a lot of People will say.(Then again I know how you long for the Dave Whelan years back ).
My flippant response was letting people in for free would have same effect.
Putting an extra 500/1000 fans temporarily into seats has to be assessed as to what cost that would come at.
I'm pretty sure when these players become available the people responsible at the club have a look at the situation and assess every minute detail as to the benifit/risk, currently a lot of things stack up against these signings.
You never know, if No deal Brexit happens and the pound flourishes back to 3 1/2 Aus dollars to the pound we may be able to compete again, I won't hold my breath though.
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| Beat Saints first up and we should be marketing the hell out of the Leeds/Roosters games now. No reason why we shouldn't start the season with two 20k+ attendances.
That should help the finances along with a home GF fixture.
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| Quote: Jukesays "When you say I ignored overseas signings, which bit of "Now before people start throwing gene miles/bell/Barrett/renouf or henry paul out there.
The games/cards have changed, not necessarily for the better imo but it has." Did you miss?
And explain to me how we could afford some of these "world class" overseas signings?
How much would these top class players of today cost in today's money and would we be able to compete?
Where's £650k per year for a shaun johnson coming from?
As for Austin etc. Then as you know it's a whole bigger argument.
Explain how wire have benefitted from having sandow or Roberts for the past 3 years etc.
Explain at what cost both financially and from a production line it's benifitted wire? How have their youth come through in those positions?
We're those signings risk free and what problems did it bring them off the field,?
If we do get the signature of a 300k plus overseas signing in the near future I'll assess that signing based on the facts at that point, nowhere in this thread will you find me in total agreement or disagreement of the sammut signing, I will reserve judgement (unlike so.e who seem to make a snap decision that everything an owner or coach does is wrong).
People seem to ignore that we signed Tommy leulia beginning 2017, he's given us a WCC and a super league title predominantly playing as our 7.
Once again a signing that everyone conveniently forgets when slagging the club off.
My response was more to do with the "Sign a marquee player and it will solve all our crowd and financial issues" argument.
How did FPN work out for us?
It won't and as rogues illustrated it hasn't at other club's, and it didn't for us early 2000s, the glory years of super league a lot of People will say.(Then again I know how you long for the Dave Whelan years back
Daveo has disappeared again.
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| Quote: JonnyBroad "Daveo has disappeared again.'"
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again
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