You mean the way you try to come across all i don't know why all this bad feeling is about and then you post on the locked thread using the line it does a good job , and then call other posters hypocrites.
I'll Leave it at that you can claim any victory you want .
PS if you had denounced the locked thread which you didn't it would have been more in keeping with your earlier posts on this thread .

you might want to read it again. I explained i would find it disappointing if Leeds fans did have posters of that picture but it was and is a good way of highlighting the hypocrisy. The two things arent mutually exclusive.

Its a fairly simply view, not particularly nuanced, im not sure why it upsets you so.

Yet when I said that we would try and avoid the game descending into a ugly mess; you suggested that we would be looking to turn it into a penalty-a-thon on Saturday night as we were the most penalised team in the league - make up your mind. In both losses to leeds this year; leeds have sought to stop rugby being played and to turn it into a grudge match. McClennan clearly instructs players to use intimidation and dirty tactics.



I never said that the fault laid at the door of everyone else first. What I said was that the pressure put on inept referees by the like of Kear and McClennan has had an effect. Likewise some teams - leeds being a prime example have bitched and whined at referees throughout the game to try and put pressure on to force them to give penalties.



Big bad leeds - don't be silly. Cheap shot merchants would be a better description; with the coach be the worst culprit for trying to paint his team as "Angels". Anyone who heard his comments over the Ablett incident who could have no doubt he was a total and utter disgrace to the game! Trying to play the ball - the only thing that Ablett tried to do was break Tomkins jaw with his forearm. If that had been Joel Tomkins on Burrow then you would have demanded that he be banned for life.

It's funny - but I have yet to see the leeds thugs go after anyone from Wigan who is prepared to mix it. They seem to go almost exclusively for one player. But I am sure that you will say that the Wigan fans who accuse your coach of bringing cheap thuggery into the game as being paranoid.

Tomkins discipline needs work - a lot of Wigan fans suggested he should have been banned for the silly kick on McGuire (elbow to the face not withstanding). However I have yet to see any leeds fan say the same about the leeds team's discipline.



Playing to the limit of the rules is done by every single team in the league. Be it not being back ten, inching forward before the play of the ball, not standing square etc etc. However due to the media attention for Wigan's wrestling defense (large down to sky's trained chimps); I do think that Wigan have AT TIMES been unfairly penalised. I also think that some of the punishments handed out by referees and the RFL have at time been ridiculous (like the examples I gave which you didn't pass comment on). Here's another: Stuart Fielden was banned for throwing a punch after a confrontation that involved an opposition player deliberately trying to damage his ankle ligaments. He was banned for a match. Matt King and Paul Wood of wire both threw punches in a confrontation on Saturday (Wood ran 20 metres to do so) neither were even charged.

The difference between the leeds and Wigan coaching staff has been one camp has bitched whined and complained and sought to justify their players foul play. Constantly appealing against bans and crying in the press rather than accept the punishment. I don't think that Riddell would have had a go at McGuire had he known the extent of his injury; however considering the amount of pain that McGuire would have been in; I doubt he paid much attention to it anyway. McClennan and Peacock have simply tried to use this to deflect blame away from McGuire for what he did. I have yet to see a single leeds fan criticise McGuire for what was a incredibly cynical professional foul in what was a very unsatisfactory end to what had been a riveting game. They have all said that "you would have done the same" as if two wrongs make a right. Some have even claimed that McGuire was trying to steady himself on Carmont! Blindly refusing to accept what he did was wrong.

For Peacock to say that shouting at a downed opponent was cowardly, when he himself tried to take the head off of a player that is half his size in a recent match (before high-fiving his thug mates) is a bit rich

rlMcClennan's turn again to go off on one!rl

So basically we can summarise the last week and 14 pages of bollox as:

Some Leeds fans making a fool of themselves (ironically mostly those who changed their avatar to a crying baby)
Some Leeds players making a fool of themselves
The Leeds coach making a fool of himself
The captain of England making a fool of himself
A Sky pundit making a fool of himself
Some Wigan fans making fools of themselves
Some extremely lazy journalists desperately trying to stoke the fire

Anyone else notice those who haven't?

Keef - are the YP and YEP still the official mouthpiece of El Presidente Hetherington, even though his favourite journalist has gone to the RFL?

However, in a thinly-veiled reference to their opponents' style, McClennan continued: "Our players play within the rules. We never go out to intentionally use any tactics that can hurt another player and we'll continue to do that.

"We're proud of our history. We've won three Grand Finals in a row and another in 2004, all with integrity."

I believe that favourite journalist was so far up Hetherington's @rse that he could smell Dave Craven's feet!

No i didnt, i said out of either of the teams, the team with the highest penalty count over the season would likely be the one to benefit from the game being high in penalties. More inferring it would be counter-productive for Leeds to conspire for a high penalty count rather than Wigan would look to be turning it into a high penalty count game.

Or maybe, just maybe, Wigan have a high penalty count because THEY play to the edge of the rules and often step over that line. It is Wigans fault they are the most penalised in the league no-one elses.

I havent heard McClennan ever call for anyone to be banned for life. Wigan have their fair share of cheapshot merchants (if thats the words we are using) Andy Coley, Joel Tomkins,


well, yes. And im know you would say similar if when someone accuses Maguire bringing in dirty tactics and cheap thuggery into the game as being paranoid aswell.

I think you will find it has been a common theme on the Leeds board to criticise Leeds discipline this year. We have given away far too many silly penalties this year.

At no point this week must anyone at Wigan be drawn into responding to these ludicrous tantrums over in Yorkshire.

I think less of the Leeds club each day, employing such unsophisticated tactics. This is not the way for so-called champions to behave; it looks increasingly childish and desperate.

But hey, it's fine.

Let Peacock and McClennan - two 'brains' that even Victor Frankenstein would have rejected - try to draw our guys into a slanging match, and get no response whatsoever. Come Saturday, they'll have learned precisely nothing about our team's state of mind, whereas we could well have learned all we need to know about theirs.

Very well put , it could be the key to a place in the final .

As each day goes by my confidence builds that on Saturday we will go out there and 'get the job done'.

Let the Leeds whinging continue (daily if needs be), whilst Wigan RLFC will stay impeccably silent.....playing into this guy's hands!