And Brian Noble was 'unknown' by your own definition when he took over from Matthew Elliot.

The whole debate is extremely tiresome.

The most valid and truest point made in the whole thread.

It really has become like a dog with a bone, keep gnawing at it over and over again even though it became clear there was no meat left on it days ago.

It's amazing how one poster can keep putting forward the same tired argument, based on nothing more substantial than his own opinion, which by his own admission is at least partly fuelled by a seemingly irrational dislike of the club chairman ... and yet keep so many sensible posters busy.

At the end of the day, even if Mike Maguire's contract ends and he hasn't won anything, all it will mean is that one poster on a little known internet forum will feel that he's been vindicated. It won't mean that he has been vindicated (because Brian Noble didn't win anything either); it won't mean that Brian Noble will be recalled (because Brian Noble didn't win anything either); it won't mean that Ian Lenagan will resign (because Brian Noble didn't win anything and IL had no option but to try and replace him with someone who might). It'll mean squat. Zilch. Zero.

That's in the event that MM doesn't win anything. If he does win something of course, RHL will do yet another disappearing act. So it's a pointless exericse all rouind.

Best to pull out of this now. We've surely got bigger fish to fry than debate with someone whose only solution to Wigan never getting past a semi-final was simply to keep hoping that someday they would.

Nothing more to say on the Noble situation but just answer me this,where have you dreamt up i have done this disappearing act?

Why would i disappear anyway? Because MM was named head coach?

Why should i disappear because of that? Where did i argue that he wouldnt be head coach?

In truth ive never disappeared. If you want to claim some kind of sad victory because a man sometimes cannot get on a RL forum because of work then you keep telling yourself that.

After our best league season for a decade i would like to say once again 'Thank you Ian Lenegan' for turning our club around on and off the pitch in such a short space of time.

Done....

Great thread.

Does Red Hot Jalapeno still post?

Haven't heard much from him of late.

Of course, he had "an axe to grind with Ian Lenagan", and a man must stick to his principles.

why is this on here it's from last october

Clearly, someone felt it was a timely moment to resurrect it.

Can't be bothered going through it all, but if memory serves, there was a school of thought (which I didn't agree with) that Maguire could only be said to be an improvement on Noble if he actually won something in his first season. Why it had to be his first season, I don't know, given that Noble didn't win anything in four seasons. But anyway, given that Maguire HAS won something in his first season - and the presentation is this Friday evening, I suppose whoever dug the thread up felt that he was closing the debate.

Are a few missing in action this season. guess what they have seen does not fit with there opinions

Well I was meant to be having a quick look at this while j fell asleep but I've read all of it...

Priceless stuff