So sign Sean Long then. He can show Tomkins the ropes. Moreover he is not going to be commanding a massive wedge on the salary cap. Something Orford defo would.

Also Last Son of Wigan wants to put Tomkins at fullback. An interesting proposition imo.

I fully understand the reason for your opinion, but again i can counter Long has continued to say he does not want to leave Saints. Regards the conditions he may not have had to play in the cold but will certainly have played in the rain.

You seem to be hell bent on ignoring the problems that Long has yet keen to highlight the issues Orford has when they could very well be applied to Long.

Of the argument pro Long all i can see as a valid one is that Orford has not played in SL, which is fair enough, but in my opinion his style is very much suited to SL and to be fair there are not many good NRL 7's that do not go well in SL, its usually the forwards or wider players that struggle.

How many matches have you Orford play in the last 2 seasons?

Pass, most if not all that have been on Setanta and the highlights. Enough to form a valid opinion of him as a player in my opinion.

I watch most NRL games, not just on Sentanta. Seen him play regularly.

I'm 100% with Boris on this one. His points are spot on.

Congratulations. So are you saying you do not rate him over this or last season so far.

Jonh, as I said I will not be dragged in to anything. My point remains. It is my opinion and I think Long is the better option.

You seem to think Orford.

I have pointed out what I would do with Wigan.

if you dont agree with 'last son of wigan' then you are wrong. or so it appears

I have never said that. In fact the opposite. I have said I have one option and Jonh has another.

I agree but i find it interesting that people are bigging up S. Long who is clearly a spent force and is deteriorating by every season, yet slate the form of Matt Orford who is the current Dally M medal winner as the outstanding player in the NRL last year (Smith would have got it i appreciate but he did not and still is it such a bad thing to be the second best player in the comp behind him). Winning the Dally M and playing in a title winning side has not been done by anyone in 2 decades at least as far as i know with Sterling (?) Hardly the form of a "patchy" player.

He captained his team to the NRL title racking up one of the biggest if not the biggest win in NRL final history, hardly the signs of someone without the leadership skills we need.

I am open to the idea of Sean Long, but to use some of the arguments you use in my opinion do not make much sence.

Considering you watch all the NRl games do they not show the ones where it rains on your t.v?

This is my point Jonh, I've seen how you post and how it gets petty. I will no longer continue in this discussion.