If Wigan had been restricted to "half of what they earn" for the past couple of seasons they would have had a reduced salary budget. So how does this 50% work to increase the talenty base?

Which profits are these? 5% of the profits from the top 8 clubs should just about pay for Paul Prescott's salary and that is not off-setting the 5% of the losses incurred.

You could be talking about any sport today, Football, apart from a couple of games this year has been 'dire' to watch, survival not winning something or entertaining has become the holy grail for the majority of clubs, its just money, money, money..., Tennis, there is talk of changing the balls to make them slower to stop the 'serve and volley' power game that has stopped rallies and made the game less appealing to its fan base,....Cricket has introduced 20/20 in an attempt to make the game more entertaining and attempting to bring in new supporters, most sport today is played by 'athletes' with much less emphasis on skill, a player with a 'great engine' is much more valued by managers/coaches than a 'ball player'.........sad, but true. Listen to most Football phone in shows,theres more talk about referees decisions than of players/goals, and worryingly ours are going the same.

So again if it is so easy why has no team done it?

i still think the best system would be the license criteria system.

Wigan Saints Leeds without the salary cap would have too big an advantage and even with the 50% rule due to their huge grounds and attendances still hold an unfair advantage that would see the same teams year after year.


BUT

with the license criteria if you want to spend more then you have to do more off field.

A LICENSE holders get to spend x amount of pounds
B LICENSE holders get to spend 15% less
C LICENSE holders get to spend 15% less than B HOLDERS

That way the chairmen need to invest in the game if they want to spend in the game.

Teams with lower attendances might have to lower ticket prices to get people to fill the stadiums and market better so that more people are aware. also putting coaches on for away games at rock bottom prices

Teams would all have to develop good academies to gain criteria points.

Invest in better grounds and facilities

Even the Geographical position for expansion purposes makes sense for the likes of quins celtic and dragons.

I don't know how this system could possibly fail ?

In the end you'd have Chairmen marketing the game like wild fire instead of tightening the purse strings.

Academies improving vastly and scouting getting better.

What you think ?

licenses would be assessed every year.

Its deliberately pegging back big clubs, and it's stupid. If the FA pegged back the PL from spending money on players wages they'd be the laughing stock of European football and would be shambolic in the Champions League compared to that of other countries.

The same goes for SL against the NRL and RU.

You can tell the salary cap has done nothing, even with this year. Look at the top 4 teams pre-salary cap... look at the 4 big teams nowadays... Wigan, Saints, Bradfor & Leeds. How long has the SC been here for? And when was the last time someone out of these four teams is it actually won something? It's a joke. It's not improved the game or created a level playing field. It's just dragged the big clubs down to the level of the lower clubs. Teams like Saints or Leeds you may say have been able to adapt to it... yes by cheating their way around it god knows how many different ways and yet what have the RFL done about it? SOD ALL.

Let me just ask, if it was Wigan (and only Wigan) who had done the "Image Rights" scam - would the RFL just let it go? WOULD THEY B*LL*CKS. It's again, a joke.

All SL is these days is average players, of size and speed, going against one another and the one who makes less mistakes or gets the most benefits off the referee wins the game. When was the last time you saw pure skill from one player to score a try or turn the game? When was the last time you saw a 100m try from a winger with pure agility and pace? The SC has stopped the entertainment of the game. So what if SL is mostly Australians and Overseas? It'd be a darn sight more exciting than this drivel now! Again, referring the the PL in Football, how many foreigners are there? And guess what, it's the most exciting league in the world.

Before the SL we had a similar scenario, and the GB teams of old where far far better than that bunch of t*ssp*ts in the WC this year. They were a disgrace to ever put on the shirt.

"The Salary Cap has produced some cracking players and homegrown talent" -Where?

Are these homegrown talents as good as Radlinski? Farrell? Connolly? Sculthorpe? Sinfield? Peacock? Morley? Wellens? Cunningham?
They're not in the same league, there are no world beaters coming through the ranks in any team. No truly skilled players. Look at the names above ^, when they hit 21 they were in the 1st team of their clubs and playing super league week in, week out. If a forward these days like Prescott is 23 before he gets a 1st team place... its daft.

I have just watched "Living with the Lions" a documentary about the British and Irish Lions RU team in South Africa a few years back.


The Lions won the series and the standout performances were from the threequarters, who ripped their opponents to shreds:


Scott Gibbs
Alan Bateman
John Bentley



Enjoy as the Communist Cap will ensure that this doesn't happen again.



Of course my anti CC stance only exists because of my pro Wigan bias as we all know...............................

Because limiting the earning potential of our players will have them flocking to the sport.....


Do you actually think about the tripe that you post before doing so?

BK, I wouldn't waste your time responding to posters like FTV if I were you.

FTV appears to believe that standards aren't falling in the SDL. There's no point attempting to engage in a debate with someone that holds such a ludicrous view.

The current Saints team would beat the turn of the century team - so standards have improved at the top since introduction of the SC.

The mid table teams like Wigan and Wire would murder mid table teams from the turn of the century.

The bottom clubs like Salford and Celtic are far better than the drivel from the turn of the century.

There are more promising youngsters across the board than I can remember for a long time.

I won't argue with one thing though, standards at Wigan have dipped. But that sure as hell isn't the salary caps fault, it's more to do with flashing cash at the likes of Fielden, Riddell, Phelps, Pryce, Carmont, Coley, Bailey etc etc.

i agree completely, thats why ive stopped attending matches. once i started going to the games just to meet up with friends and have a drink i knew it was time to call it quits and stick to watching on the telly (or playing on my xbox, hogan)

hopefully it will get better but i cant see that happening for a long time

Is this the NRL with a lower equivalent cap to ours? RU also has a cap, albeit a higher one, but then they have more money in their game. I'm not sure what your point is comparing our capped game to two other capped games.



How do you distinguish between big clubs being dragged down and smaller clubs improving? Smaller clubs beating bigger clubs? Bigger clubs being lower in the table or smaller clubs being higher?

IMO the Saints team of the last 2 years would beat the saints team of 2000/2001, same with Leeds. In fact same with all the clubs bar Bradford and Wigan. Id that the game upping it's standards or lowering them?




What's this got to do with the standards of SL? It was a perfectly legal way of minimising tax bills, the RFL attempted to cut that impact with the removal of NIC from the cap



Chris Riley going past a defender, then chipping the last defender to gather and score a 75m(ish) try? Or is that not skilful these days?



Luke Dorn scored a 100m try against us on Friday, though he isn't a winger.



How? I'd say much improved defences have strangled the off the cuff play far more than the salary cap has.



If you don't care about that, why complain when the International side is beaten? You can't have it both ways.




And how poor is the International side?



How many series did we win between 1980 and 2002?



We don't know, there hasn't been enough time to properly rate players produced solely under the cap. Added to that the youth structures at most clubs have been abysmal for years, only recently have a number of clubs upped their game in this respect (and I include Saints in that).



Eastmond, Wheeler, Tomkins and Myler aren't skilled?



How many of those are props, props tend to start later. Graham, Roby, Clough are 3 players that were playing week in week out at or around 21. What about O'Loughlin or Hock at Wigan? Burgess at Bradford, Burgess at Leeds, Burrow. McGuire.

The game has problems, but to pin them all on the cap? It's an easy excuse that ignores too many other problems.

Too much C&P to bother with so.

1. The NRL is in a different COUNTRY to us. RL occupies a different place in the sporting "pecking order". You simply cannot compare RL in the UK to RL in Aus.


2. Offiah, Hanley, Edwards, Platt, Betts, Botica, Robinson, Tuigamala

vs

Any bloody team you like post CC Stains, Wigan, Leeds, Bradford. You name it.

Enough said.


This pathetic reluctance of CC supporters to accept that it is theoretically and practially flawed is amusing.

As for the drivel (and it IS drivel) they post to try and support their point, the less said about that the better.

Thats what people are saying- In Wigans hey day they bought in talent now the talent is spread around so teams cant buy success.