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I’d have Graham in but I’d have Bullock in ahead of Matty Lees all day long. He hasn’t kicked on Lees as you’d hope whereas Bullock has been excellent this season and is really developing in to an excellent prop.
If I selected a combined team I’d cheat a little to get French and Coote in and go-
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Makinson Hardaker Gildart French
Lomax Hastings
Walmsley Powell Graham
Taia Farrell Knowles
Bullock Singleton
Bentley Roby
Based on all the players being fit and available (Bar Walmsley for a game). Sam Powell to start as he’s outplayed Roby this season and outplayed pretty much every hooker across the league.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I’d have Graham in but I’d have Bullock in ahead of Matty Lees all day long. He hasn’t kicked on Lees as you’d hope whereas Bullock has been excellent this season and is really developing in to an excellent prop.
If I selected a combined team I’d cheat a little to get French and Coote in and go-
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Makinson Hardaker Gildart French
Lomax Hastings
Walmsley Powell Graham
Taia Farrell Knowles
Bullock Singleton
Bentley Roby
Based on all the players being fit and available (Bar Walmsley for a game). Sam Powell to start as he’s outplayed Roby this season and outplayed pretty much every hooker across the league.'"
Powell has been excellent this season but to suggest he has outplayed Roby is staggering. They have different styles of course so it's sometimes difficult to compare stats, but
Tackles - Roby 466, Powell 594
Missed Tackles - Roby 4, Powell 19
Tries - Roby 2, Powell 10
Assists - Roby 8, Powell 4
Metres - Roby 1028, Powell 400
Clean Breaks - Roby 6, POwell 3
I suppose in a hypothetical 17 I see the sense in starting Powell and bringing Roby on, but if you had to pick the better player currently then it's still Roby all day.
With Lees, I think people underestimate just how serious that injury was that he had and it massively impacted not only his physical growth but also his off season. He obviously hasn’t been as good this year as pre-injury but that’s understandable. I thought his last performance was his best so far this season though. With a full pre season before 2021 I’m sure he’ll be fine and back to his rampaging best. He’s only 22 don’t forget.
I do like Hardaker but would always pick Percival  |
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| I'm not keen to slate Graham and Roby on the eve of a derby. Maybe Friday night if things go our way  |
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French, Hastings and Farrell are the only 3 that would make the 13 for me.Its pointless debating with these lot Giraffe if they think the likes of Powell and Hardaker would get in anyones 13 over Roby and Naiqama.
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "French, Hastings and Farrell are the only 3 that would make the 13 for me.Its pointless debating with these ]]lot Giraffe if they think the likes of Powell and Hardaker would get in anyones 13 over Roby and Naiqama.'"
Do you think I would get any chance of debating it on Redvee before the locals arrive to vilify and abuse me. At least on here you get the chance to have your say. |
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| Quote: leg_end "Do you think I would get any chance of debating it on Redvee before the locals arrive to vilify and abuse me. At least on here you get the chance to have your say.'"
On redvee I think you'd be lucky if they named 1 Wigan player they would want in their side. |
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "French, Hastings and Farrell are the only 3 that would make the 13 for me.Its pointless debating with these lot Giraffe if they think the likes of Powell and Hardaker would get in anyones 13 over Roby and Naiqama.'"
Gildart is first choice for England but wouldn't make the Saints 17? Aye alright. |
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I’d have Graham in but I’d have Bullock in ahead of Matty Lees all day long. He hasn’t kicked on Lees as you’d hope whereas Bullock has been excellent this season and is really developing in to an excellent prop.
If I selected a combined team I’d cheat a little to get French and Coote in and go-
Coote
Makinson Hardaker Gildart French
Lomax Hastings
Walmsley Powell Graham
Taia Farrell Knowles
Bullock Singleton
Bentley Roby
Based on all the players being fit and available (Bar Walmsley for a game). Sam Powell to start as he’s outplayed Roby this season and outplayed pretty much every hooker across the league.'"
Brad Singleton
I suppose we'll get to see how effective Singleton and Bullock are tonight against a Saints pack that will be badly weakened by Big Al's absence. Can't say I'd be swapping Singleton for Amor in a hurry.
Powell has had a great season but one thing you can't see from stats is perfection of delivery from DH - Roby is simply brilliant in that respect.
Percival is the most talented centre at both clubs IMO, and far superior to Hardaker/Naiqama. Shame he and Gildart have missed so much rugby as they are both great to watch. |
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Brad Singleton ![]()
So what about the rest of the post?
Only 3 players get in Saints side? Really???
Saints have been well coached for 2 1/2 years and its improved some of your players.
Before that practically the same set of players and you wouldn't get more than 3 of them in the wigan 2016 team (prior to Holbrooks arrival).
Jury may still be out on Wolf in some ways but he certainly is a decent coach, whilst I have my reservations about Lam which I've said many times,
But French/Budgie/Marshall/Hardaker/Gildart/Manfredi/hastings/Bullock/Singleton (bit early to call but hed be in the frame) Powell/Havard/Farrell Would all be in the frame.
Now obviously they wouldn't all get in, but out of 19 I would say 7/8, out of 17 I would say 6 or so would get in easily.
Your point about Walmesley is a good one
We have a chance tonight to play against you without possibly your most important go forward option. I believe you have enough in the best of your squad to cover for that and still probably commit on top, but it does even things a bit.
From a Wigan perspective that's not good enough, we need to be food enough when your at your best including Walmesley, like we were in 2015/16/17/18
Saints have improved 30/40% since then, and most of that is coaching not players, I believe were at least 20% down on that and I believe it's 50% the same reason although I think our dip is in conjunction with the ageing of 4/5 players and then loss of Tomkins/George etc.
I used to say that you got a lot of Saints fans on here posting when Saints were winning everything, and it was because you were winning, not because you knew more than us.
Its similar now, but also the attitude that were winning so everything about Saints including its players must be better.
It doesnt
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Brad Singleton ![]()
Amor
v Leeds 24 tackles, 9 carries for 79 yards
v Wakefield 21 tackles, 12 carries for 85 yards
Singleton
v Salford 25 tackles, 13 carries for 70 yards
v Wire, 26 tackles, 13 carries for 94 yards
Not a lot in it but by the numbers he's been a little better. Bear in mind that Wire game was close as well whereas Amor's two were batterings. I don't know about how long each was on the field for though. We've been really poor for props so he's really stood out in his first two performances. Whether that's a short term effort to impress at a new club or whether it will improve further as he settles in we shall see.
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| Quote: Jukesays "So what about the rest of the post?
Only 3 players get in Saints side? Really???
Saints have been well coached for 2 1/2 years and its improved some of your players.
Before that practically the same set of players and you wouldn't get more than 3 of them in the wigan 2016 team (prior to Holbrooks arrival).
Jury may still be out on Wolf in some ways but he certainly is a decent coach, whilst I have my reservations about Lam which I've said many times,
But French/Budgie/Marshall/Hardaker/Gildart/Manfredi/hastings/Bullock/Singleton (bit early to call but hed be in the frame) Powell/Havard/Farrell Would all be in the frame.
Now obviously they wouldn't all get in, but out of 19 I would say 7/8, out of 17 I would say 6 or so would get in easily.
Your point about Walmesley is a good one
We have a chance tonight to play against you without possibly your most important go forward option. I believe you have enough in the best of your squad to cover for that and still probably commit on top, but it does even things a bit.
From a Wigan perspective that's not good enough, we need to be food enough when your at your best including Walmesley, like we were in 2015/16/17/18
Saints have improved 30/40% since then, and most of that is coaching not players, I believe were at least 20% down on that and I believe it's 50% the same reason although I think our dip is in conjunction with the ageing of 4/5 players and then loss of Tomkins/George etc.
I used to say that you got a lot of Saints fans on here posting when Saints were winning everything, and it was because you were winning, not because you knew more than us.
Its similar now, but also the attitude that were winning so everything about Saints including its players must be better.
It doesnt'"
I didn't post about how many players would get in our squad so not sure where you are going with that. Just makes me laugh that Singleton is now in a combined team having played two games for the club, one against a post-Wembley Salford on the back of a long break for Wigan |
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| Quote: Grimmy "Amor
v Leeds 24 tackles, 9 carries for 79 yards
v Wakefield 21 tackles, 12 carries for 85 yards
Singleton
v Salford 25 tackles, 13 carries for 70 yards
v Wire, 26 tackles, 13 carries for 94 yards
Not a lot in it but by the numbers he's been a little better. Bear in mind that Wire game was close as well whereas Amor's two were batterings. I don't know about how long each was on the field for though. We've been really poor for props so he's really stood out in his first two performances. Whether that's a short term effort to impress at a new club or whether it will improve further as he settles in we shall see.'"
It's just the incredibly short time horizon that makes me laugh - 2 games and now he's in a combined Saints/Wigan 17!
Out of interest where do you get the individual game stats from? I can never seem to find those. |
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| Quote: FearTheVee "It's just the incredibly short time horizon that makes me laugh - 2 games and now he's in a combined Saints/Wigan 17!
Out of interest where do you get the individual game stats from? I can never seem to find those.'"
Yeah I suppose. The Super League site, go to results, select the game, scroll right the way down. |
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How many games do you have to have played to qualify for a combined side?
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| Quote: Grimmy "Yeah I suppose. The Super League site, go to results, select the game, scroll right the way down.'"
Fab, thank you!  |
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