Hopefully it's incorrect but if not our line up must surely feature a debutant or two.

Something like-

Sarginson
Manfredi
Goulding
Gelling
Burgess
Green
Smith
Taylor
Williams
Dudson
Bateman
Hughes
McIlorum

Subs
James
Crosby
C Farrell
Powell

Still a fair side and an exciting team to watch. I wouldn't be surprised to see somebody like Sam Powell pack down at 13. He's a tough lad and wouldn't let us down.

Bloody hell! I'd go:

FB 23 Sarginson (I'm not confident in him defensively but he can always swap with Budgie if he's having a mare)
RW 31 Manfredi
RC 3 Goulding
LC 5 Gelling
LW 32 Burgess
SO 6 Green
SH 7 Smith
P 8 Taylor
H 27 Williams
P 16 Dudson
SR 25 Bateman
SR 14 Hughes
LF 9 McIlorum (think he finished the Hull game at loose)

S 17 Crosby
S 19 Powell
S 28 James
S 36 C.Farrell (not ideal giving him a debut v Leeds but we don't have many options)

A stronger team than what we will have this weekend got torn apart by Leeds a couple of weeks ago, it could be worse this time around. I just hope we are competitive. One things for sure the fans need to do their part on Saturday.

How do you define"torn apart"? It was hardly 75-0

Add to that - we only got one penalty at Leeds. On a neutral ground the ref won't be swayed by home support. Yes, we may well lose the game (which in the context of the season is pretty meaningless) but we will be competetive, no danger of that not being the case.

We have never been torn apart by anyone in the past 5 seasons. And after Friday's performance there will be lots of confidence from those young lads. Keep the faith!

He played more than half of the game at LF

Interesting one who to select if Wane is going to give a debut. Farrell is a second row, Lever can cover both second row and loose forward and Austin is a prop forward. I think whoever is selected they will slot into the Wigan's system as we've seen already with other young players making their debuts this season!

What annoys me most is that Leeds are not square at every play the ball. The first marker is almost square but the second marker puts his hand on the back of the first marker and stands to one side. They were penalised once, in the 37th minute, against Cas and Cas scored from it. Can't believe the refs don't notice.

Can you point out where and when other penalties should have been given, and how the crowd swayed the refereeing exactly? It was just that from watching the game it seemed that Wigan could have been penalised a hell of a lot more than they were.



Yes, you're right, that happens at every single play the ball that ever occurs against Leeds, and it's only Leeds that are ever guilty of it. It's certainly much more annoying than the three occasions in the opening 20 minutes of Leeds v Wigan that Wigan players lifted Rhinos legs above the horizontal and it went unpunished, and the unpunished high shots, and all the messing around on the ground you were allowed to get away with. Occasionally not standing square is much more annoying than all of the stuff that Wigan got away with.

No I can't BJ. You might well be right about Wigan deserving to be penalised more. You must agree that it isn't unusual for large vociferous home crowds to sway refs decsion making. It used to happen at Central Park, though not as much at the DW because our crowd aren't as loud as we used to be. It happens at Leeds.

This isn't a criticism of the Leeds crowd, or the ref for that matter. It's likely that at a neutral venue like the Etihad that Wigan will get more than 1 penalty.

Normally I would agree with you, and the Southstand has been known to have an impact, but this season our discipline has been remarkable, and along with our ridiculous goal line (and over) defence is why our points against column makes such delightful reading. I'd be very surprised if we give away more than a handful of penalties at the Etihad.

I must admit that I've been impressed by Leeds this season. I really thought that after the playoff last season you would struggle this one with many of your stars moving towards the twilight of their careers.

Much praise for this should go to Brian McDermott who is showing himself to be a better coach than many Leeds fans thought.

In fact just to go OT I think that in BMc and Shaun Wane we currently have two outstanding English coaches in Super League. It mystifies me why one of them wasn't approached to take the England team in the 4 Nations next winter.

The Rhinos discipline has improved massively this season. We have conceded just 59 penalties, the lowest of any team in SL. Is that all influenced by the Southstand or one particular referee? If so our away following must be outrageous.
This is the area I have been most impressed with this season. Usually Leeds give away daft penalties and invite the opposition to take the game from us, this season that has changed. As opposition fans you'll feel like you're getting nothing but that is because Leeds will be giving you nothing not the referee.

Personally I don't like referee talk, its small minded, and generally surrounds teams from lower down in the division.

What gets me is Wane as a LF playing at Leigh 23 year old Sam Hopkins bring him bach till we get Lockers sorted out is it because he is from Leigh academy and not Wigan academy.