Thornley was no worse than anyone out there tonight. Wane seems to be fu%king with the heads of Hughes Thornley and Gelling, none of them have been given long enough in the position to make it their own, he's often willing to drop them after one game, currently we're operating on a 1 for 1 between Gelling and Thornley, wrecking the confidence of both young men.

It's also difficult to read the game from centre when the halves and FB keep changing. Sam links up next to the centres, Hampshire plays it slightly differently, similar to having a different half on your side of the pitch.

Agreed on Logan, no better than Godwin, certainly not as good as Mark Smith, Piggy or Higham, nor does he show the potential other young players do.

Harsh on Green, he worked his socks off in the second half tonight, doing what he could trying to create something, the SRs were so flat, with that the centres off the SR, there was little to no movement for Green to bring runners into the game.

I don't know why Wane can't coach Wigan without Sam and Lockers, our movement, attitude, and kicking game was that of a lower league team tonight.

Not that old chestnut again.

All that demonstrates is that Superleague's quality has declined.

You obviously think the game has improved ? I don't !

The overall quality has declined.

If you take Sam and Lockers out of our team, we are in trouble. As was shown tonight.

We have lost a great deal of quality talent out of the team over recent years, and it hasn't been replaced.

It's fairly obvious that I just got the names the wrong way round, or did you think we have Dallas now? It's also fairly obvious why I brought up the 06 team in response to Fleabag's comment, because the current team would obliterate it. That's the team we went into the SL campaign with, the fact we had to break the cap towards the end to sign Fielden and Dobson is neither here nor there, use the 05 team if you want, the current team is far better than that one too. Point remains this team isn't the worst team in 8 years never mind 30, so why say so?

*Also, Higham in 06 is nowhere near McIlorum of present.

Do I heck think the game has improved. I just think you're not giving credit to the current team, or recognising how far we have come under IL. Not sure who you expect us to sign, top NRL signings aren't viable anymore, so what can we do but promote from within and sign the odd good player off other SL clubs as we have? I agree we struggle without Lockers and Sam. So would Wire without Briers and Westwood, Leeds without Sinfield and Watkins, and Huddersfield without Brough and Crabtree. That's just the way it is at the moment, a few great players and loads of good/average players

Well it wasn't obvious to me at this time of night (hic). Richards was poor as a centre but once he got back to the wing he was great and that happened the 2006 season so I think you are being selective.



I don't care what team we started with, it's the form of the team we finished with that counts in SL.

And if you think the form of our team [inow [/iis as good as the form of the 2006 team at this point in the season you are deluded.

So we should break the cap and sign Widdop and Crabtree and Tony Smith for coach, just like what we did in '06 oh no wait, you can't win the league if you do that, that's why we only did it to avoid relegation, which is why I discounted it. Like I said, use the 05 team if you prefer, we'd batter them. Surely you don't agree with him that it's the worst team since the early 80s?

Thought you might have, that was what I was responding to. Couldn't comment on 85, I wasn't even a twinkle in the milkman's eye. Bought the DVD this week though, saving it for the 23rd It's a bit difficult to compare players so far apart in eras, it may be the same rules but it's played very differently now to how it was, from the footage I've seen anyway

Logan Tomkins should be moved on the next season. Iv never seen him break a tackle, do anything from dummy half, do anything remotely different apart from run from play the ball to play the ball and pass to the first reciever. He truly is Mr average, I dont understand his contribution to our attack at all.